Posts by Shador

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the hobbit

by Hortensia in

i downloaded the hobbit.

didn't see it in theaters because at nearly three hours, it's just too damned long.

not sure i'm going to make it through the whole movie.

I saw it and later bought it, just because I am a huge Hobbit/LotR fan. I was somewhat disappointed that it was FAR less faithful to the books than the LotR trilogy. (bout to get spoilery up in here, just in case you haven't seen it.)

Azog and Radagast are barely mentioned (just in passing) in the book. Here Azog is made a main antagonist and Radagast is given a much larger role (though I did find him amusing, so...) The whole thing with the Radagast, the witch king, the blade, and Saruman (who never appears in the book - he is soley an LotR character). - none of it int he book. If this stuff comes from Tolkien's supplementary works, that would pacify me somewhat, but as it is, AFAIK, ol PJ just made them out of whole cloth, which is a bit irksome.

Still, looking forward to parts 2 & 3 as they come out.

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gay lobby in the vatican?

by Hortensia in

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22869399.

look at the slant given to this news:.

in the days leading up to pope benedict xvi's resignation in february, the italian media carried many un-sourced reports that gay vatican clergymen had been working together to advance their personal interests, leaving the holy see vulnerable to blackmail.. or gay vatican clergymen have been working to overcome the church's hatred of gays?.

Shador

The Church believes that Jesus made the rules and the Church doesn't have the authority to change them.

So, where did Jesus forbid priests to marry? Or even establish a priesthood at all?

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So, Whats the real reason JWs are no concessions open at the DC and are discouraged from supporting nearby vendors?

by BU2B in

jw
friends

so ever since they discontinues the food service at the assemblies and dcs, jws have been "lovingly encouraged" to pack a light lunch to eat.

the secretary at the hall that i am held hostage in said during the service meeting that even a sub would be too heavy to eat, and that a light salad was the best option.

what do you fine people think is the real reason why, in the absence of food service, jws are told to not leave the building at lunch?

Shador

I loved the pasta salad at lunch. Mmmm...

.... damnit. Now I'm hungry.

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Jehovahs Witnesses couple accused of neglecting child by feeding only fruits, vegetables and juices

by Sol Reform in

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/jehovahs-witnesses-couple-from-jupiter-accused-of-/nyhx3/.

posted: 2:50 p.m. tuesday, june 11, 2013. jehovah's witnesses couple accused of neglecting child by feeding only fruits, vegetables and juicescomment(31) 21 191 22 477relatedview larger louis, claudelview larger louis, vanessaby alexandra seltzerpalm beach post staff writer.

a suburban jupiter couple is in the county jail today after they refused to give their 19-month-old boy the nutrients he needed, causing him to end up in a local hospital's intensive care unit.claudel and vanessa louis face charges of neglect of a child with great bodily harm.palm beach county sheriff's deputies were called to st. mary's medical center in west palm beach on june 5 to investigate the child neglect case.. the 19-month-old boy was admitted to the hospital may 24 after he had trouble breathing.the boy's doctor told the investigating deputy that the boy was severely malnourished, underdeveloped and was in respiratory distress, according to a sheriff's probable-cause affidavit.

Shador

the parents, who are Jehovah's Witnesses, did not believe in feeding their child anything other than fruits, vegetables and juices.

Much as I loath WTBT$, in all fairness, the 2 things are not connected. This is not a "belief" based in JW doctrine. Just something personal to these 2 whackjobs.

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Book study 2013-2014

by pixel in

from the upcoming august km:.

beginning the week of october 28, 2013, the brochure who are doing jehovahs will today?

will be considered at the congregation bible study.

Shador

Both of those publications are old light, right? Why study old light?

Oooh, maybe we'll get little stickers to put in our books again? That was fun.

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How to End the Silent Treatment ~ Wha?

by enigma1863 in

the irony is so thick you can cut a knife with it.

the watchtower must have some real cognitive dissonance.

read it for your self:.

Shador

He then gives his wife the silent treatment, shunning her in the hope that she will break down and concede to his wishes.

The irony. It burns.

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So, Whats the real reason JWs are no concessions open at the DC and are discouraged from supporting nearby vendors?

by BU2B in

jw
friends

so ever since they discontinues the food service at the assemblies and dcs, jws have been "lovingly encouraged" to pack a light lunch to eat.

the secretary at the hall that i am held hostage in said during the service meeting that even a sub would be too heavy to eat, and that a light salad was the best option.

what do you fine people think is the real reason why, in the absence of food service, jws are told to not leave the building at lunch?

Shador

Heh. I'm a vegetarian. Wonder if I could argue that my sub *is* a salad. On a bun.

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Reports from JW's regarding the summer convention

by Lynnie in

so, we're in the final countdown with the convention just over a month away.

i've talked to a few folks that have already attended it on the east coast and west coast and keep hearing that its the most up-building program they've ever been to.

seems the message is clear that we need to stop being so hard on ourselves and take time to appreciate the efforts we have put in and know that we are deeply loved.

Shador

The ones under 18 are there because their parents are there.

The 18-34 ones who are left are in it for purely social reasons - business contacts, built-in vacation buddies, no-tell drunken revelry buddies, automatic baby-sitting buddies (for the young parents), etc.

Nobody under the age 40 gives a fraction of a hoot about doctrine or beliefs or policies.

I tend to agree with sir82. I said it when I was on here initially 6 years ago. I fully expect the collapse of the Watchtower within the next century. Most of the 18 and under crowd will leave when they get a chance. The older generation of JWs will all die off. That middle group, they may keep it around for a bit, but eventually they'll either wake up or grow old and die. People in 3rd world countries with less education could continue to be duped into joining but without the 1st world financing, its a goner.

People the world over are growing disillusioned with organized religion in general, especially the younger generations. They certainly don't want to sign up for what most folks consider an oddball religion that has to go door knocking everywhere.

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Are you really an Apostate, according to the WT ?

by Phizzy in

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friends

perusing the coverage of the 2013 dc spewings about apostates, the wt claims that apostates are "liars" and speak "twisted things".

this is their definition of apostates.. now, the reality is that sites such as paul's excellent jwfacts.com, books like coc and isocf, by ray franz, the works of olaf jonsson, penton and others, all write what is true !.

we are careful on here to present that which is true, at least i hope we are !.

Shador

• Celebrating false religious holidays.

Celebrated Thanksgiving with my "worldy" relatives a couple years back. Check.

Participation in interfaith activities:... sharing in false religious songs and prayers.

Went to my "worldly" cousin's wedding - at a church - some years back. Said "amen" to the preacher's prayer. Check.

Deliberately spreading teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught by Jehovah's Witnesses

Not that JWs teach bible truth or even that there is any such thing, but no, no *spreading* of contrary teachings... yet. Uncheck.

Causing divisions and promoting sects

No outright sectarianism, but whenever my JW parents have issues with being treated unkindly by the elders, I do my best to fan their resentment. - I'll give myself 1/2 point for that one. 1/2 check.

Continuing in employment that makes one an accomplice to or a promoter of false worship

Nope. Uncheck.

The practice of spiritism

Runecasting. Check.

3-1/2 out of 6. I'd say that qualifies.

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So, Whats the real reason JWs are no concessions open at the DC and are discouraged from supporting nearby vendors?

by BU2B in

jw
friends

so ever since they discontinues the food service at the assemblies and dcs, jws have been "lovingly encouraged" to pack a light lunch to eat.

the secretary at the hall that i am held hostage in said during the service meeting that even a sub would be too heavy to eat, and that a light salad was the best option.

what do you fine people think is the real reason why, in the absence of food service, jws are told to not leave the building at lunch?

Shador

Basicly the same as everyone else has said. The reasons I have heard are:

1) You would miss out on association (really? what if you and some friends all went somewhere together?)

2) You might be late getting back, and miss out on "spiritual food" ( *vomit*)

3) If the brothers keep going out to eat, the in-stadium concessions vendors will make a stink and want to be allowed to open. That would introduce a "worldly atmosphere" (not to mention the vendors sell beer - wouldn't want to make the convention tolerable).

I suspect that #3 may have had something to do with discontinuing food service in the first place.