Posts by freemindfade

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In search of WWWW (What's Wrong with Watchtower)

by Fernando in

in more than 40 years of doorknocking not a single person was ever able to sit down with me and kindly and patiently explain exactly "what's wrong with watchtower" in simple terms and baby-steps that i could grasp at the time.. of course i have to admit it is not as easy as one might hope.. this morning one possible (not simple enough) summary came to mind:.

the bible promotes belief in jesus and the liberating and transforming gospel message about him (in both the nt and ot).. the watchtower instead promotes belief in a visible golden calf and pseudo-mediator between god and man in the form of:.

blind authoritarian clerics who have co-opted the word "elder" and turned it into a title (aka apostate "clericalism").

freemindfade

Cognetive bias cannot be so easily overcome with just one reasoning point. It's a cleanse of sorts, it must start with the individual allowing themselves to have doubt, until then there is no point, if the org says batman is real, and they all believe... you are stuck until they can reason #1, then you can begin to have a rational conversation.

For me being inside all my life it was just the bible that I questioned and began to feel the WT explanations were phoned in and everyone was just bobbing their heads in agreement. So first I came to see the bible as a book of fiction... then it all fell apart... notice the cult manipulation practices that are a model used by many in undue control situations, and voila.

I also began to realize my rational brain never fully accepted many things.

then I'd hear very spiritual people who were highly privileged and highly dotted after say reprehensible things, knocking on doors and wanting to see some nice person get their come come-upins at Armageddon just because they felt content with their religious ideas.

There is no one or ten things you can point out until someone breaks the barrier of deciding to use their retinal brain, some evidence or specifics might get them thinking, but if they aren't really to be rational cognitive dissonance will quickly clean house.

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The Plurality of God in Old Testament

by Clambake in

i am not going to claim to be any kind of bible expert or a good writer or anything like that but do you ever notice how the wts has completely whitewashed this idea or anything relating to this..

from the beginning of the bible in the beginning god said let us make man in our own image , to the term elohim which literally means gods , to the angel of the lord in the old testament which is identified to being with god and god himself.

it is just kind of interesting when you read the book of john in the new testament and you start to read things like the word was with god and the word was god or no one has seen the father only the son it kind of makes sense without really fully understanding it.

freemindfade

We agree :)

If you get into the occult and other crazy gnostic teachings it really stretches your brain out. Not that I agree with any of it, it just makes you realize that interpreting it one way or another is never simple, and I guess that is why we have so many religions.

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The Plurality of God in Old Testament

by Clambake in

i am not going to claim to be any kind of bible expert or a good writer or anything like that but do you ever notice how the wts has completely whitewashed this idea or anything relating to this..

from the beginning of the bible in the beginning god said let us make man in our own image , to the term elohim which literally means gods , to the angel of the lord in the old testament which is identified to being with god and god himself.

it is just kind of interesting when you read the book of john in the new testament and you start to read things like the word was with god and the word was god or no one has seen the father only the son it kind of makes sense without really fully understanding it.

freemindfade

Jonathan Drake. Sounds like you know exactly what you are talking about. And when you refer to babel (ot reference) I'm guessing what you meant to say is Sumer... correct?
I wouldn't get into a debate about what is the oldest pagan religion when really no one knows. The shamanic origins of paganism could go back further than we imagine. Can you tell me how old the sphinx is in Egypt?? I can't and I wouldn't claim to. What I am getting st is not a debate about that. But that the bible could be loaded with plurality language that pops in and out and monotheists try to smooth it out now to all sound like one god throughout. But none of it matters.
Religion. Comedy for the intelligent. Reality for the ignorant.

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New member, no longer just reader...

by freemindfade in

jw
friends

so i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.

been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.

mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.

freemindfade

Vidiot, yes, to echo what my mom and I am sure about at least 3 million other witnesses are say about AMIII comments that seemed crazy and brash. They will compare it to jesus saying things that made people say this is madness and leave, then the few that remained were like "who else are we to go to?" and its going to thin out the dubs, which it may, but that will be there logic. The org needed to be refined, so the crazy rants accomplished this... smh

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New member, no longer just reader...

by freemindfade in

jw
friends

so i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.

been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.

mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.

freemindfade

Ding, exactly! that is what I do, the meetings have become my biggest cause of disbelief against this cult and the bible. Rational non-cognetive bias thinking turns on the light to all this BS, I always look around and see who I think is like me, a freethinker undercover.

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The Plurality of God in Old Testament

by Clambake in

i am not going to claim to be any kind of bible expert or a good writer or anything like that but do you ever notice how the wts has completely whitewashed this idea or anything relating to this..

from the beginning of the bible in the beginning god said let us make man in our own image , to the term elohim which literally means gods , to the angel of the lord in the old testament which is identified to being with god and god himself.

it is just kind of interesting when you read the book of john in the new testament and you start to read things like the word was with god and the word was god or no one has seen the father only the son it kind of makes sense without really fully understanding it.

freemindfade

Crazyguy is on point, the reality is the Jews did not create monotheism and archeologically and even in the OT even though it is condemned most the time they were involved in pagan worship. The reality is like most things in jewish religion and the OT and even NT, the ideas were borrowed (plagiarized) from Egypt. Egypt at one point had a pharaoh that changed things, the name escapes be at the moment, but they had a similar belief system with a hierarchy with the sun god as the "almighty chief god" as it were. they went from pagan, to monotheism back to polytheistic paganism. Really genesis simply does refer to pluralism very early on..."let us make man in our image. Now from now looking back (2+2=5) we say "oh that was jesus he was talking to".

Bottom line the OT probably wasn't written by moses, but concocted by a much much later isrealite king as a political tool. This is why the bible is patchwork of old pagan ideas that were recorded well before even the supposed writing of the bible.

If you do some research on the archeology of the Canaanites, the jews arch nemesis in the bible pages, you find they in fact worshiped YHWH... just one of the their gods, and that infact the jews were not the enemies of the canaanites, but WERE canaanites.

Rewriting ones past in order to control people in the present is nothing new, its that what the "Society" is doing?

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Need list of notable bible people who Jah let slide

by RedPillPopper in

need a list of people like cain, lot, david, etc who did things they should have been put to death for but jah forgave, excused or turned a blind eye to.

thanks for any info.. .

freemindfade

OnTheWayOut

Great post!

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New member, no longer just reader...

by freemindfade in

jw
friends

so i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.

been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.

mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.

freemindfade

FayeDunaway

Yes the carts they are trying to reinvent the golden age of this thing.

Instead of sandwich boards...carts

Instead of phonographs...ipads, no more share a scripture "watch this" or "go to this site"

Instead of the cross and crown pin...jw.org pin

They with all the failed doctrine, and peoples ability to access to so much information on the internet, I think they are dumbing the witnesses down more and putting them in a box. We used to be taught to defend ourselves with a bible, but most people didn't have the info they have now, can you imagine as a witness calling on someones door who went to jwfacts and started firing off questions? Of course I know when I was younger I would just believe they were reading lies about witnesses and they were severely misinformed because thats the I was told to believe under fear of being shunned or dying at Armageddon for thinking otherwise.

Its not my grandfather JW, but in some ways it still is. The cultish orwellian control is the same, but the model is much more transparent and under threat. The organization is changing everyday, and those unable to think rationally just see it as "progress" while the rest of us see it for what it is, scrambling to reinvent and rebrand before anyone notices the man behind the curtain (wizard of Oz reference).

The gb now appears on jw.tv which I don't think is great for the org, yes the die hards say its the best thing ever, but I think it's exposing some as not some angelic benevolent brothers of christ. Which for the diehards (here comes another 1984 reference) is still 2+2=5... "isn't it so great, to see how they are just like us". Anyone able to take a second from the cult flow and stand back and look can see the utopian veil has been lifted of this thing for many. I honestly believe that most people doubt what they teach, and the bible, but have the mentality of so many that if not this than what? which is a dangerous trap to living a life with meaning and purpose.

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New member, no longer just reader...

by freemindfade in

jw
friends

so i joined very recently and began posting and commenting without a formal intro.

been reading for a while, decided it was time to jump in.

mentally i am completely cleansed of this thing, but still have to maintain a minimal involvement for spouse and family.

freemindfade

Thank you everyone, I hope to continue to draw off your stories and support and give back as much as I can in return.

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S-61-E Elder checklist for C.O. visit

by wifibandit in

full set: http://imgur.com/a/7k2rj .

pdf: https://mega.co.nz/#!jo8g3ssj.

use key:srn2ww5-whppvrokxfv5wjczahbhhz7de3h2skqfcje.

freemindfade

Wasn't Armageddon suppose to come before we got to this insane administrative level of analness? what does all this crap have to do with spiritual enlightenment?