sorry mbut national minumum wage is EUR 8 and those that are making just the minimum wage don't pay any taxes+council housing etc. there is no excuse for unemployment here. that is unless you are a carer etc.The fact is that we have to import another 150000 eastern european workers for the labour force this year to keep the economy growing as it is. The service industry is ever growing here (have you walked down some streets in Dublin or Cork recently). If you want to work you can. according to the latest figures 4.2 % of the 18-65 are unemployed, this includes all on disability etc.
walkaway
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How do you feel about people on government assistence?
by free2beme infor a long time, before working with people in this situation, i would have answered this question with .... "i feel for them and i know how degrading it must be, to come to this point in their life to have to depend on the government to sustain them" .
... once i got up close and personal with these people, i have learned that my answer only applies to a small group of those on government assistance.
well from my experience, those on government assistance are more often about taking advantage of the system, then they are about actually being in need of help.
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Guardian site
by Peppermint inhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1687735,00.html
edited to make link clickable ~ scully
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walkaway
it wasn't in todays first edition- is it in print anywhere else?
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How do you feel about people on government assistence?
by free2beme infor a long time, before working with people in this situation, i would have answered this question with .... "i feel for them and i know how degrading it must be, to come to this point in their life to have to depend on the government to sustain them" .
... once i got up close and personal with these people, i have learned that my answer only applies to a small group of those on government assistance.
well from my experience, those on government assistance are more often about taking advantage of the system, then they are about actually being in need of help.
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walkaway
i'm posting from a country with *nearly* full employment, basically anyone who wants a job can get one. no one in my hall is without work, none of my neighbours are, and people that i go to uni with all work. Our system works thusly- when you get a wage, your boss pays PRSI stamps on your behalf and then after 3 months you start paying them aswell (this is basically government credit). These can be used for a number of things, primarily if you lose your job or you quit, you can claim "dole" from the government. When you are employed, these stamps take money off your dental bills etc. This really came into its own when a brother in our hall was in a bike crash coming back from work. He had paid his stamps, he couldn't work for months so the government not only gave him his salary, but also paid his hospital bill (which is only 800 euro maximum here anyway). The system here works when you need it to. some people take advantage of it, but if you want to work, you can. so the vast majority of people do. however i will say this, "god bless social-state europe" , esp ireland :-)
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Ireland again
by AuntieJane infinally i think we are going to go to the land of eire!
who on this board lives there,.
and can give me some suggestions?
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walkaway
just one thing, don't call it Eire :-) ireland will suffice, "the republic" at a push but never eire.
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i just had to share
by walkaway ini met a friend of mine for lunch today, and lunch extended into coffee.
now this is a girl from a rural background and always seemed to be doing the right thing.
as coffee progressed she asked me what i thought of the new blood card- we discussed that for a while, then she mentioned another doubt.
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walkaway
of course i'll be careful- we already agreed to be silent about this, perhaps not even talk about it for a while- at the moment it is just doubts, she suggested that she might even be here though. One thing to keep in mind however is that she hasn't been the most regular at meetings for sometimes and has been irregular on service for the last two months-anyway i have to go to work- sigh, thanks for the kind words of warning so far though.
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i just had to share
by walkaway ini met a friend of mine for lunch today, and lunch extended into coffee.
now this is a girl from a rural background and always seemed to be doing the right thing.
as coffee progressed she asked me what i thought of the new blood card- we discussed that for a while, then she mentioned another doubt.
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walkaway
i met a friend of mine for lunch today, and lunch extended into coffee. now this is a girl from a rural background and always seemed to be doing the right thing. As coffee progressed she asked me what i thought of the new blood card- we discussed that for a while, then she mentioned another doubt. I asked her directly "have you been reading these things on some websites" she looked at me as if she had been caught- then i confessed my doubts to her. we spoke for the best part of 11/2 hours about everything 607, time of the end, exclusivity, views on university.......everything! . i really can't believe it- a girl in my own congregation with the same issues that i have and it gets better- she said that another sister and her have been discussing the same things, and i said that i and another brother have been doing the same. It all seems so unreal- it turns out i'm not alone in our hall!!! sorry if this doesn't make much sense- i am just so excited.
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Dinner with College Professor
by RichieRich ini went to the circuit assembly last weekend.
we went up friday, so we could have some time to chill before the assembly saturday and sunday.
our "christian convoy" happened to include a very nice family that is new to our congregation.
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walkaway
this college thing has caused more problems than the society reckoned with, i reckon (i know there are one too many reckons in that sentence). some friends of mine in Bologna said that at their hall half the congregation are either at or involved with university and their circuit overseer made such a big deal about the evils of university both at their elders school and their congregation visit that 1 elder (one of my friends father) and a ministerial servant resigned on the basis that their lifestyles must conflict with the societies standards (one is a lecturer in the history department and the other is getting his PHD in sociology) one is fading (my friends father and most of his family) and the other has gone into underdrive (if that is word). if people stand up like this the world over then there are going to be big big problems, both for the society and people being led by the idiots that make it to elder status. hello from someone getting his bachelors in june and a phd by 2009 :-) richie- i don't know you but i hope that your conversation sparked something in this guys head and got him to reconsider the last 3 years.
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yet another newbie
by walkaway inhello everyone, i am brand new, thought i would say hello.
i am still "in" the org, still serving "faithfully" in the hall that i grew up in.
my father is the po and i am part somewhat of a dynasty, with all my extended family being witnesses.
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walkaway
gary i was present for a conversation with the bones of it being to get the brothers to open up their wallets a bit more. it disgusted me , i wasn't myself for a few days after hearing this. and as regards my other comment, what i was trying to say (obviously not very well) was that you should never see something you are supposed to love/be in awe/be scared of too closely, purely because you are only going to be disappointed. to be honest with you, i think it was probably the way i had viewed the society before hand, and the money grabbing commercial side was just never seen by me before thanks everyone for the warm welcome, i look forward to getting more involved as time goes on, if i am a bit coy, i hope you'll understand that i am just protecting myself, just in case. you never know who is reading these things
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yet another newbie
by walkaway inhello everyone, i am brand new, thought i would say hello.
i am still "in" the org, still serving "faithfully" in the hall that i grew up in.
my father is the po and i am part somewhat of a dynasty, with all my extended family being witnesses.
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walkaway
money grabbing, rather than the "spiritual" headquarters of the organisation, I refuse to name names, both for their sakes and for mine, and i have no reason to doubt their good intentions, but it was still very upsetting. When i got back from my trip,everyone asked me if i was encouraged by my visit (it was only one or two days out of a month away) and i really couldn't think of anything that i heard or saw that was anything other than sickening. i guess you should never see anything you "love" from the inside.
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yet another newbie
by walkaway inhello everyone, i am brand new, thought i would say hello.
i am still "in" the org, still serving "faithfully" in the hall that i grew up in.
my father is the po and i am part somewhat of a dynasty, with all my extended family being witnesses.
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walkaway
hello everyone, i am brand new, thought i would say hello. I am still "in" the org, still serving "faithfully" in the hall that i grew up in. My father is the PO and i am part somewhat of a dynasty, with all my extended family being witnesses. I have been having doubts for quite sometime, galvanised through some experiences (mostly what i saw at brooklyn on a visit there). Also some articles over the past few years have really annoyed me at the shallow minded attitude they display. Oh i probably should have mentioned i am a senior at "evil" college- soon to progress to to my MA . i have been lurking for quite some time, and felt the time was right to raise my head above the parapit and say hello.