They still shun because it is the same thing to them. The anouncment changed for legal reasons. I have no proff of this but it makes since, they can tell governments that "we don't kick people out, they leave on their own." But to the R&F the result is the same.
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24People dont get disfellowshipped anymore
by foolsparadise inthey are announced as no longer being one of jehovahs witnesses.
why then do people still shun them if they are not disfellowshipped.
witnesses talk to non jws all the time, so we should be allowed to talk to members who are announced as no longer one of jehovahs witnesses.
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Please read condemnatory email sent to me and help me reply
by AndersonsInfo ini received the following emails, one yesterday and the other today and thought you'll like to see an example of the positive and the negative messages i regularly receive through webmaster at my website, watchtower documents, llc, www.watchtowerdocuments.com.. .
here's the negative message:.
"i must say that after reading your biography, i am shocked.
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To all of these great suggestions I would only add one thing. She closed with the "I hope Jehovah gives you what you deserve", line. We all know what this really means, she hopes Jehovah kills you. Throw that back at her - She has never even met you but she says you should be killed! Is that a Christian attude? As someone else said the Pharisees said Jesus should die because he was an apostate, and they were "Gods chosen" so she is just like the Pharisees.
I would ask her - what's it like, to sit on the judgement seat of Christ and dispinse final judgement over someone elses eternal destiny?
Barb - YOU ROCK and we love you
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best/favorite Monty Python sketch
by stillajwexelder inaustralian beer drinking philosophers is one of mine
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Python is so awesome it is impossable to pick one. Some of my favs are - Dead Parrot, Cheese Shop, It's the Mind, Penguin On The Telivision. The opening sceen on The Meaning Of Life - Insurance Pirates, And the exploding Fat Guy. This stuff never gets old!
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JW E-MAIL REGARDING ORIGINS OF CHRISTMAS
by whereami inemail said we sould use this at the door for futher support on the evils of christmas.. .
http://tellingthetruth.50webs.com/4-4.html
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Beyond pinatas - the wedding ring, wind chimes, and countless other things they are just there for show.
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Music Groups or Singers have you seen in Concert Before ? Your Opinion ?
by flipper ini've seen a good number , not as many as some, or maybe a few more than others.
here's my list i've seen live !
ottmar leibert - new age / flamenco guitarist - very good show , good percussion and spanish style guitar ( 1993 ) .
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Queen - Live Killers Tour three and a half hours plus, no opening act they did not need one!
Ozzy w/Randy - Def Leppard opened Original line up.
Kiss - awesome show
Black Sabbath - w/Dio
Rush - Always a great show
Garth Brooks another great show.
About 100 others but these were the best.
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I lost the right to raise my JW kid........
by oompa inactually he is hardly a kid anymore.....and is in bethel dammit!..........but why is it that when i was a good jw account servant i could guide, influence, direct him... totally... in all religious matters......which of course is why he believes what he believes and is at bethel (damm i was good huh!
) but now that i am faded and a vocal apostate (not dfd but called apostate behind my back) i am supposed to shut up and not share any of my new found real truths with him?.
my ex-wife hardass jw just gave me grief for this, my hardass current jw wife just gave me grief for this, my elder/dad gave me grief for this....and even my bethel son gave me grief for this....ya know i think jesus said you should not put your bright light under a basket!....but they all tell me to.
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Hi Oompa,
Sorry for your situation I know it sucks. I find it very disturbing the amount of mind control they are able to hold on folks. Think about it we attend for some time, we see the lies and then we leave. However, we still obey their rules, even though we know they are not God's chosen we ack as if they are. We are told that if we leave then WE are to avoid talking to them!. I remember being told that if I was to leave and later see another witness walking toward me I was to cross the street or somehow avoid a meeting. I is our responsabilitiy to make their rules easy for them to obey. One day a friend of my wife wanted to borrw our truck to do some moving, he was very friendly and buddy - buddy anded me. I said yes and when he returned it I asked if he finished the job of if he needed it another day. He did not respond even though I asked him a second time. I told that he was an ass to which she replied that I was the ass for trying to talk to him since I was not following the rules! I realized then who foolish I was for not being aware of how deep their mind control is. Now I make it a point to talk to witness especally in public just to show them they don't control me.
Best to you Oompa, keep talking to your son, one day he will realize what a great father your really are.
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*** Favorite Kick A$$ Songs of All Time ***
by FlyingHighNow inbuddy miles, may he rest in peace.
i like the band of gypsys version, but i prefer the later version he did with the buddy miles express.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7vgdqwfc9g&feature=related.
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A complete list would be to long as there is no "one song". Here are a few artists that blow my skirt up;
Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson,
And how can forget the classics;
Grand Funk, Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest, Rush, UFO, Scorpions etc................................
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Would You Have NOT Given Blood To A Family Member While a JW?
by minimus ini would not have given blood.
and if my jw mom did not want blood, i would respect her wishes, too--- even now.
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If the person is an adult and maid their own minds up I would respect their wishes. However if they were under 21 I would follow whatever the doctor said would be the best course to take. I don't want to be blood guilty. And if for some reason the JW's are right and god wants to punish me as well as the child for allowing the blood, then fine I would not serve a god that did not value life.
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Tell Us Dumb Things You've Heard Elders & Bethelites Say
by minimus inthere are a lot of dumb organization men.
gb losch seems to be the top dog for dumbness.. in the local halls i've seen and heard many dumb elders open their mouths.. one elder had a fondness for bible prophecy and watchtower chronology.
he always speculated on what the "watchtower really means" about a statement in print.
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One elder giving a talk about "allowed marital sex" said the scripture about - Giving the wife her due and she doing likewise - was not about sex but about treating each other nicely. Afterword I asked him if that meant that during a time of prayer do they stop terating each other nicely, since that is what the scripture says?
Another elder was so aginst gatherings of any kind, other than mtgs. He would show countless pics from the WT and say "Count how many people are shown at these depictions of gatherings, there is never more than 8 or 9, so we should not have gatherings with more than that many people."
Before my parents were even babtized they would have the book study in their house (they have had their eye on my dads house from day one). I was at the book stude and the elder conducting the study looks right at me and says "Anyone who plays or listens to rock music, is a fornicator, and a worshiper of Satan, and therefore has no place in J's organization. At the time I had a band and my father had allowed us to make our garage a sound dampened rehersal room. I closed the book went to the garage plugged in my guitar, turned my amps all the way up and just started jamming. At that time my dad supported me as did my mom. They were asked by the conductor and his wife if they would make me stop playing until after the study and they both said no. They then said that they would not recommend him asking me either. Funny thing was that nobody else seemed to mind and three of them came out into the garage after the study to listen.
I have hundreds of these as we all do.
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Do circuit overseers pay income tax?
by tiffy0212 ini'm no tax expert, but in the us i would think it would depend on their income.
there is a threshold below which you don't have to file taxes--5 or 6 thousand dollars as i recall.
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What about the GB, do they pay taxes? They may not get a large "paycheck" but they do get cars, housing, air fair, gifts etc. Should all this not also be taxed.
Every year at tax time I try and and put my wifes donations to the WT on our return, and she freaks out saying that we can't tell the government that the WT gets our donations. She is affraid the government will then tax the WT, or at least use the information aginst them. And she works part time for H&R Block so she should know better.