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  New Yearbook stats for 2007 now out!

  by Dogpatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the report is out!.

  http://www.watchtowernews.org/2007report.pdf.

  cooking the books with 3% increase??.

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  2112

  Someting that I havent seen mentioned - the $121,000,000

  During the 2007 service year, Jehovah's Witnesses spent over $121 mil-

  lion in caring for special pioneers, missionaries, and traveling overseers

  in their field service assignments. ¦ Worldwide, a total of 19,581 or-

  dained ministers staff the branch facilities. All are members of the

  Worldwide Order of Special Full-Time Servants of Jehovah's Witnesses

  Where can we get the numbers of these ranks to see how much money is really "supporting" them? Do the 19,581 branch workers get part of the $121 million? Or are they on a seperate payrole? Does it include Patterson, Bethel and the GB? If not how much is spent on them. If we could "follow the money" it would have a lot of impact on the r&f I believe. If we could show folks from the WT own numbers that they are being riped off it may shake quite a few of them up. It's easier for the WT to "steal" someone's conscience on religous matters but if we could show/prove that the WT is taking money from them and misusing it, that could be invaluable.
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  Well, The Elders & Circuit Overseer Came By Tonight To See If We Are Celeb.

  by Lady Liberty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello dear friends.... well..the saga continues!!

  as many of you know last new years the jws attacked our "frosty" and egged our home.

  " the co said, "so you are both not willing to meet with the elders..?".

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  2112

  That is an awesome story, you were ripping them a new one. I wish it was recorded what a hoot.

  The only thing I would have done differantly is when he pointed his finger in you face I would have viewed that as an assult an would have defended myself. Especially the second time. He only did it to try and intimidate you, even though it did not work.

  Again you were awesome!
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  Just another meeting - the lack of "occasion" and "grief" at JW funeral

  by truthseeker in

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  2. friends

  i recently attended the witness funeral of a sister who lost her mother.

  she lived to a good age.. most of the congregation were there.. if the truth be told, it was one of the most disrespectful funerals i have ever been too.

  no one did anything wrong, but everyone was happy - a little too happy.. it was just another meeting to the dubs who attended.

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  How would it work out for them if the funeral talk out line was sent in to the news paprers with come commentary on it. Pointing out the pure coldness of their teachings. It says mention approprate facts about the person, name rank and serial number. But don't eulogize them, after all they don't matter, their dead!
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  Being prejudiced

  by purplesofa in

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  growing up, my mother was very prejudiced.

  mostly against black people.

  i had no choice on the matter of my skin color.

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  2112

  Too true!

  I know the jury is still out on wether people choose to be gay or not, I have no idea, but it does not matter, they are still just people and they need what we all need. Love and acceptance. I know people who hate those who shave their heads, get tatoos, smoke, are overweight, are underweight. It is all such crap. Why is it that so many look at and focus on what our differences are and not what our similarities are?

  I remember a line from the pote Kalil Gibran - "Was the love of the mother of Judas any less for her son than that of Mary's love of Jesus?" I take this to mean we are all the same, we all want the best for our families, and we would all want world peace etc. Again why can't people work on those goals instaed of trying to make everyone else be just like us?
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  Yearbooks= Does Bethel "worship" new Watchtower buildings and branches?

  by Witness 007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the yearbook is always beaming with pictures, descriptions, and glowing testamony of the new buildings the watchtower purchased, renovated or built.

  is this in fact "building worship"?

  i mean do the poor 3 million witnesses who meet in shacks on dirt floors, really care or understand these pictures, from their rich western society brothers?

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  2112

  When I was still in the borg I went to a South American country to visit my wife's family. While there we went to their hall. It was appaling, crumbling walls, a tin roof full of holes. The seats were concrete blocks with a rotting piece of wood laid across them. The few lights they had were strung up using bare wire under some of them were right under some of the holes in the roof and if it rained they would lose lights as they would short out.

  Well I came beck from they and I told the elders in my hall of the situation that their fellow brothres in Christ were in, and asked if we as a congregation could help. I have to say that during the two years prior to my trip our hall had been making plang, voting etc on remodling our hall. We as a congregation had already paid this "brother" architect three different times to design the thing. (Then four more times after that mind you). Our hall was by no means a wealthy one, and with each new set of plans paid for the funds would be depleted for the remodal so we would hear the cries for more money. But I digress....

  I told the elders that what we have is a palace compaired to what they have. I was given the old - "We can't make a hall that stands out like the churches do, it has to blend in with the neighborhood it is in." I said that their hall stands out now because it is the dump of the neighborhood it is in. I was then told that if I wanted to send them a few dollars that would be ok as long as I did not neglect our own hall. Or I could ask Brooklyn to help them. I then said why don't we ask the congregation what they would like to do and then as a congregation make a dicision. I was told no and then told not to try and start something by talking to anyonw about this.

  They told me that "We need the hall remodeled since other local halls were remodeled recently. Well the recently remdeled hall they were refering to housed three congregations that are in very affluent areas, $500,000 homes and up. Their hall was re-carpeted, and re-wallpapered about every six to eight months. Just so you know it took that hall four more years to actually get remodeled, I had left the borg by then and so when I was told,four years later, that they started their remodel project, I just laughed.

  This came at a time when I was starting to have doubts and was a real turning point for me. Love among themselves my butt!
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  ANTI-Witnessing: "Bold" JW cuts and runs

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a week or so ago my friend danny haszard informed me of a website that was permitting discussion of the jws and their blood worshipping idolatry (my terms, not theirs).

  i was in a mood fit for a fight, so i thought i'd participate.. i think i made some valid points and offered some good counter-arguments.. so today i was notified of a new post in that thread:.

  a new comment has been posted to "watchtower society.

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  2112

  Wow Nathan, I wish I had God speaking to people I don't know and hho don't know me about his love or hate for me. At least you now know where you stand! This anonamous person was told and he informed you of your eternal destany. I'm sure your relieved.
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  Does this make since ....

  by 2112 in

  1. social
  2. family

  since jw's can not even step one foot inside a church, temple or what have you, because just going inside is a act of worship.

  then how can they go inside a hospital or medical facility that is owned and operated be another religion.

  especiaily if the hospital has a chapel.

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  Since JW's can not even step one foot inside a church, temple or what have you, because just going inside is a act of worship. Then how can they go inside a hospital or medical facility that is owned and operated be another religion. EspeciaIly if the hospital has a chapel. I am not saying that they should not seek medical care, however I know of a few JW's who were told they had to quit their jobs because their employers we affiliated with another religion.
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  Asinine JW comments

  by 5thGeneration in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my sister said yesterday:.

  "isn't it amazing how the watchtower and awake are so good that really we would only have to read them to know everything that's going on in the world!".

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  2112

  I remember reading, many years ago, about a study conducted in I believe Africa. They found a group of people whu lived in a desert region who had never see trees. They showed them pictures of trees and their eyes could not focus and comprehend what they were. I always thought that was interesting.

  I/we all know how uninformed many JW's seem to be. But that is their plan they shield their slaves members, and when the member des leave the are the frog being thrown out of the well. Once out the frog starts to sample all the files they can find and sometimes get into trouble. Then the WT can say "see, if you leave this is what happens!" I never heard any JW talk about someone who left the Borg who is doing great in their life, except to say the Satan is blessing them.
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  Have elders lost power they once had over the flock?

  by Fisherman in

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  2. friends

  the wts still gives the elders the same authority over the cong as before but is the cong controlled as much by the elders?.

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  2112

  Once you,ve been a witless for three months or longer, you get into a rut of never hearing anything new. Many people just zone out and go through the motions. Some times they become like zombies and that is why many witlesses don't know their own beliefs, and on the rare times that something "new" comes along they are totaly unaware of it. i.e. - Blood fractions, 1914 etc.

  Other times there are those who use their mind regulaly, maybe for work. They will not zombie out and they will follow where their mind goes, you know, think for themselfs. Most stick around for two reasons first as had been said, they have family inside and don't want to rock the boat. Another reason some thinking persons stay with the WT is because they feel superior to those inside and they like that feeling. That would help to explain a lot of the arrogant attitudes many JW have. However many plainly stupid JW's are also quite arrogant, so who knows?

  Just my thoughts
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  What has this religion become? THE WATCHTOWER madhouse

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  c.t.russell began with a personal "purpose" which was to find a way to believe in/worship god while doing away with the beliefs he found to be personally uncomfortable such as hellfire.

  he shopped around and cherry picked 2nd adventist views as a foundation.

  to this he added pyramidology.

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  2112

  Excellent job Terry!!!

  This should be sent to every newspaper and news outlet. It is well written and, although not supportive, it is not written in a way that most non-JW's would see as an attack. It would really make people think, and would maybe raise some good questions at the doors, that the JW's would not know how to answer.

  Again Great job!