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Children who claim to remember past life

by frankiespeakin in

the university of virginia has a unit in the department of psychiatirc medicine that investigates these claims.

here is a link to this unit:http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/personalitystudies/.

and here is a partial clip:.

Inquisitor

most people know when it come to a 2 or 3 yr old there are the average and the above average intelligents.

The speech of young kids reflect their developmental progress. Pick up a textbook on Psychological Development or Psychology of Language and you will have all the proof you need that kids at 2 years of age CANNOT speak as well as your 2 year old even if they wanted to. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INTELLIGENCE.

And even if it were unbeleivable would be an indication of something paranormal.

So now there is something paranormal about the two year old?! That's strange. The 2-year-old's Dad didn't seem perturbed by this paranormal ability.

Look I can help you with your case here. Why don't you just go back to that orginal narrative and change it to FIVE year old. Then you don't need to worry about this linguistic scandal any further.

But your questioning the ability of a 2 yr old is in effect saying the whole research was a scam.

Then it probably is. I don't care. I'm only interested in the fact that a 2 year-old cannot talk like that. End of story. If that pokes holes in the bigger picture, that's the author/researcher's problem not mine. If I am not allowed to question this, how can you deny saying "it is wrong to be sceptical"?

that the researchers were putting words in the mouth of this child

No , it doesn't have to be the researchers. It could be the narrator of the story. It could be the kid's parents. But that does still make the research invalid. But you're tired of hearing this aren't you?

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Children who claim to remember past life

by frankiespeakin in

the university of virginia has a unit in the department of psychiatirc medicine that investigates these claims.

here is a link to this unit:http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/personalitystudies/.

and here is a partial clip:.

Inquisitor

Frankie

Again you fail to click on the link to read what I had earlier said. Is the hyperlink not showing on your computer? That's ok. I'll do it the traditional way.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/115727/2.ashx Kindly read the last post in that page.

I DID NOT say that 2 year olds cannot speak clearly. I said they cannot speak as eloquently as you have claimed.

A 2 year-old would say things like "Water", "Dog"... then later "Daddy pants", "Bad boy".

He wouldn't string sentences as masterfully as you have claimed, spouting "‘The wagon hit me. I was dead and I was angry with the man who drove the wagon." So your narrative is false.

Speaking clearly at 2 years of age doesn't make one a prodigy (although that's probably what your folks told you).

But speaking long sentences with conjunctions in BOTH active and passive voices does make your 2 year old child a GENIUS.

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Children who claim to remember past life

by frankiespeakin in

the university of virginia has a unit in the department of psychiatirc medicine that investigates these claims.

here is a link to this unit:http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/personalitystudies/.

and here is a partial clip:.

Inquisitor

So you see why I didn't spend time refuting your reasoning because if you read carefully what i posted, you raised objection that showed you automatically assumed deciet of some sort by a credited study that is being conducted by a university. How can you refute someone that don't know what the story is? WHy refute it, if the person automatically disreguards what the research is bringing to light?

That is very convenient for you, Frankie. I HAVE READ CAREFULLY what you posted. If I hadn't, I wouldn't be so determined to object. I have raised this before and I will raise this again. There are credited studies to show that greenhouse gases are not seriously damaging the atmosphere or that homosexuality is acquired behaviour etc. There is a credited study out there to appeal to the right kinda public. If all these studies are to be taken seriously and without question, what do you do when there are studies that contradict one another? Who is right? Do we go by the Size of the professor's title or the Size of the campus of which he represents? The research must prove itself credible to its critics. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Ask any researcher, Frankie. Basic scientific method. <rolls eyes> Let me also add, that I would be very happy to accept that Dr. Stevenson's research has discovered a most unusual phenomenon for I am a curious person. But to tell people that they are wrong for being skeptical towards the findings is unreasonable. Even more far-fetch is your claim that the findings VALIDATES REINCARNATION. INQ

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Children who claim to remember past life

by frankiespeakin in

the university of virginia has a unit in the department of psychiatirc medicine that investigates these claims.

here is a link to this unit:http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/personalitystudies/.

and here is a partial clip:.

Inquisitor

Frankie

What am I supposed to do with such a challege? So you think the kid spoke eloquintly beyound his years, what is it in what you said that needs to be challenged refuted or that takes away from the experienced?

You have obviously not bothered to read the earlier post I refer to, and that is why you did not realize that i was being a tad sarcastic. A 2 year-old boy you said had had a previous-life experience could NEVER have said what he did. 2-year olds do not have such mastery of their language at that age. He would not be able to string together sentences like "The wagon hit me. I was dead and I was angry with the man who drove the wagon." Click on the above hyperlink to read why. Conclusion: the 2 year old's testimony is fake.

You whine that

The objectioins raised so far have failed to show that they have even read the material posted

and yet, by your own posts you show that you're ignorant of what others have posted on your thread. You hear objections but not constructive criticisms.

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Cano Is The Tip Of the Iceberg

by metatron in

is the watchtower organization filled with child molesters?

maybe not - but the cano incident should make us think about an allied problem,.

namely, general corruption and rot.. many years ago, it was not unknown to find strange photos and other materials in a bethel brother's room, after he died unexpectedly.. that doesn't prove that there is a massive problem with child molestation.

Inquisitor

How many adulterers?
How many homosexuals?
How many scam artists?

metatron

What do HOMOSEXUALS have to do with criminals and addicts?

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Children who claim to remember past life

by frankiespeakin in

the university of virginia has a unit in the department of psychiatirc medicine that investigates these claims.

here is a link to this unit:http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/personalitystudies/.

and here is a partial clip:.

Inquisitor

Perhaps there are kids who can remember events that they have never experienced. That would be a truly amazing discovery. And I am all for discovering the answers to such abilities.

However, it is unwise to:

1) Immediately hail these accounts as evidence for reincarnation. All you have are kids who can tell you experiences that aren't theirs. What possible hypotheses can one make? Mind-reading? Telepathy? Why must it necessarily be "proof of reincarnation"?

2) Attack people who challenge the research. Scientific claims are always challenged by the skeptics. A good, solid theory MUST be able to survive the critrics. The opposite is true with religious claims. People are expected to have faith that religious phenomena occurred. So which approach would you prefer us to take with this research into past life? Scientific skepticism or blind faith?

Regards,

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Children who claim to remember past life

by frankiespeakin in

the university of virginia has a unit in the department of psychiatirc medicine that investigates these claims.

here is a link to this unit:http://www.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/personalitystudies/.

and here is a partial clip:.

Inquisitor

Anyway that thread just ask for opinions, which I got, even if they were ill informed. I will go back to that thread if I get some comments that show some insight, or aleast show they have given what they post some thought.

Frankie

On your other thread, I challenged the credibility of the account of a 2 year-old boy "recalling" his past life. Kids his age could not possibly speak as eloquently as he did. Were my comments ill-informed? Lacking insight? Did I show a lack of thought? If so, how? If not, why did you not address it?

If you expect people to give your arguments some benefit of doubt, you should at least be prepared to extend the same courtesy. But if you're dismissive of any criticisms towards "evidence" of past lives, should we take you seriously?

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animals in new system?

by moomanchu in

do they live forever in the paradise?.

there won't be any scavengers to cleanup.

( come to think of it will maggots and worms be vegetarians?).

Inquisitor

Really, Moo? Were you not a Witness for very long, if at all? I remember questions like these intrigued me as a kid. This and questions about dinosaurs. lol.

IMHO though, the basis for concluding how long animals will live in the new system is plagued with holes.

You see, human lifespan and subsequent mortality is conveniently explained by the doctrine of sin and redemption. But how does the Bible explain the VARIED lifespans of non-human organisms?? There are trees that live for a 100 years, and there are trees that live for many thousands. There are turtles that live for several hundreds of years and there are fishes that only live 59 days! You'd think that for creatures that were COMPLETELY unaffected by Adamic sin, they'd have more standardised lifespans. After all they were all created on the same "day" and were all declared "good" weren't they? So how did they come to differ by so much?

What did the little pygmy goby fish do to Jehovah Almighty that the giant sequoia did not?

So if the Bible's record cannot account for such extremes in lifespans, why should we expect it to tell us how long they would live in the "new world"? The WTS did the Bible a great dis-service by making these assumptions.

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animals in new system?

by moomanchu in

do they live forever in the paradise?.

there won't be any scavengers to cleanup.

( come to think of it will maggots and worms be vegetarians?).

Inquisitor

Hello Moo

The Awake had this to say:

g76 3/22 p. 17 Keep a Balanced View of Animal Life

Life

and Death of Animals

The Creator gave life to both humans and animals. But for how long were they to continue to live? Scientists report that humans seem to have the potential of endless life, so that investigators are perplexed as to why man dies. The Bible gives the reason. It says that the Creator gave the first humans the opportunity of living forever. Death came only because they rebelled. (Gen. 2:17; 3:17-19; Rom. 5:12) What, though, of animals? They are not capable of conscious rebellion against God; yet they live only for a length of time and then die. Hence, it is clear that the Creator never purposed that individual animals live forever. For them death was natural.—2 Pet. 2:12.

So in no uncertain terms (to my knowledge this "light" has not been given a "new shine"), the GB tells us that animals will keep dying. Nevermind that natures decomposers will be allowed to retire.

We will basically see large decrepit elephants collapsing into fresh fountains of waters, dead pets falling into our banquet of well-oiled dishes, and cranes crashing into roofs when they croak. Sounds like a game hunter's paradise to me. Carcasses that won't rot, rigor mortis sets in, everyone can start their own Smithsonian collection!!

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Reincarnation is there proof?

by frankiespeakin in

after having read some reputable books by psychologist and examining the evidence i'm inclind to believe we go thru many incarnation.

what your opinion?

what books have you read on the subject.

Inquisitor

One young 2-year old in Oklahoma, insisted that his name was Jimmy but each time he would be told ‘No, it is Jeremy’. Jeremy saw a picture of a wagon in a book and told his grandmother, ‘The wagon hit me. I was dead and I was angry with the man who drove the wagon.’ Another time he asked his father, ‘What’s wrong with your back? Is it killing you? My back got hurt one time and it killed me.’

Btw, may I just add that this 2 year old is one freaky child in his speaking abilities, nevermind his past life!!!

I'm led to believe that at that age, a 2 year old initially manifests single word speech with lotsa holophrases. Holophrases are simple words employed by kids to imply more than they mean. e.g. "Water" is used to mean "I want water" or "There is water!" Yes that is how they are supposed to talk. "Water!" "Potty!" "Daddy!"

Single word speech is then gradually replaced with Two word speech (telegraphic speech). e.g. "Mummy car", "naughty baby". Note that articles like "a","an","the" are often ommitted, thus the speech resembles that of a telegram.

A 2 year-old child would know on average about 50 words.

He/She will only progress towards using multiple sentences at age 4.

I know these are estimates, but it's a rough guide of what to expect. So like I said, the two year old mentioned would make a fascintaing subject for developmental studies before anyone would care about his past life.

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