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Doctrine on Homosexuality

by DaveNwisconsin in

i was reading on the web about gays and jw's.

first of all i am gay.

i am not saying i am sorry as i don't feel there is anything bad about it.

Inquisitor

I must qualify that I do not know if the basis for homosexuality is genetic or not.

What I do know is that some gay people feel very strongly that it is in their very nature. It would be rather insensitive of us to proceed with so little facts, but heaps of conviction that their lifestyle is biologically perverse. (cmon that's what you mean if you say their sex is a little odd)

Having said that, I'm equally aware that there are gay people who are not so certain about their sexuality (and I am not just referring to sexually confused adolescents). So it would be equally wrong to assert that all gays are GENETICALLY PREDESTINED (sorry greendawn!! lol).Not all gays are that sure of themselves. Additionally, I don't like the combination of those two words "genetics" and "predestination". Too much of an orgy of science and the metaphysical.

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Doctrine on Homosexuality

by DaveNwisconsin in

i was reading on the web about gays and jw's.

first of all i am gay.

i am not saying i am sorry as i don't feel there is anything bad about it.

Inquisitor

I'm glad you are satisfied with the outcomes of your therapy, maurices. At least you have discovered who you are.

However, I would be careful not to be carried away with one's personal "emancipation" and start a crusade to prove that homosexuality is an aberration of human behaviour.

While it may be "natural" for you to be a heterosexual, it would be cruel to rally the rest of the world to a personal notion of what is normal and what is not. I know, you do not intend to criticize gay people. But can you safely say that right wing Christians would not use your personal experience as intellectual ammunition against gay people? Can you stop that? Your own testimony that homosexuality is "not normal" is ammo enough to hurt confused young adults.

How do I know you're wrong? I don't. But I know you cannot be so confident of your "line of evidence"

Why not?

I see people (yes, not just you maurice) spit out case studies (twins study) as if they were Divine Judgements. They are not. For every study showing that homosexuality is learned behaviour, there is another to prove that there are no significant results to that effect. The homosexuality debate is still raging. It hasn't approached a Grand Climax yet.

Another caveat to consider, is that even if one successfully proves that homosexuality is not genetic, but is learnt, what exactly does that prove? That homosexuality is learnt thus unnatural thus wrong?

If i was left-handed would learning to use my right hand be unnatural and wrong? If I learned to speak Swahili as a child, growing up where my parents served as missionaries, should I unlearn it cos I'm not African?

If monkeys instinctively mated with their sisters and mothers and had babies, is that unnatural?

When male animals initiate sex with other males, is that unnatural too?

If you're gonna say, "but unlike evolutionists, I believe humans are made in the image of God and need to aspire to superior standards" i ask you, who created the animals and taught them to breed?

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Preaching a drag

by Inquisitor in

jw
friends

anyone here still goes from door to door despite a reluctance to serve the interests of the wts??.

i know i'll have to when i see my folks in a coupla weeks time.

have to keep up the appearance that all is well.

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Petty sarcasm aside, it might interest you that such guerilla tactics couldn't possibly be pulled off in front of my D2D partner without alerting the elders.

Your strategy is great, but it wasn't what i was asking for in this thread.

You might like to contribute on my other thread instead:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/9/104541/1.ashx

Cheers again, abbadonapollyon!

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Preaching a drag

by Inquisitor in

jw
friends

anyone here still goes from door to door despite a reluctance to serve the interests of the wts??.

i know i'll have to when i see my folks in a coupla weeks time.

have to keep up the appearance that all is well.

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Now why didn't I think of that before, drew! I'll pair up with an older person. They usually (though i have known some to be annoyingly fit lol) need to rest early, walk slowly, chat with their partners more than they do to the householders. Please don't take this wrongly, some older ones are such dear things. It's just that their limitations can be put to good use!! God, that sounds awful doesn't it? Well desperate times call for desperate measures. Mwahahahahaha

Thanks for that drew.

From what you guys are saying, it's beginning to dawn on me that the pioneers in some congs are equally eager to do less talking as they while away the hours. What a joke! The disillusioned and the glorified Witnesses both want the same thing out of their ministry!!!

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Preaching a drag

by Inquisitor in

jw
friends

anyone here still goes from door to door despite a reluctance to serve the interests of the wts??.

i know i'll have to when i see my folks in a coupla weeks time.

have to keep up the appearance that all is well.

Inquisitor

Hey abbadonapollyon

I would definitely use your method with an eager RV or Bible student. I mean that's a substantial bit of reading material to understand what's going on. So you'd push them on people interested in the Witnesses.

People at the doors? Hmmm... I wouldn't bank too much on their interest in the internal politics of the JWs ;)

Cheers!

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Doctrine on Homosexuality

by DaveNwisconsin in

i was reading on the web about gays and jw's.

first of all i am gay.

i am not saying i am sorry as i don't feel there is anything bad about it.

Inquisitor

Yadda2

I can see that it is very possible to have more closetted gays in this org than one would expect, given the climate of suppression Jws live in.

But that wasn't my argument. Like Poztate, I was trying to make a point to DaveNWisconsin who said:

The thing that cracks me up though is that it is ok to be gay in the JW groups as long as you don't have sex with anyone.

Dave is not the first to say this line. I've heard it bandied about before.

People get the impression that gays are free to be themselves among JWs as long as they don't have sex. That is nonsense. No one is going to tolerate a (gay)brother saying that some other brother is really hot. No tongue will hold back from lashing out at a (gay)sister who admires another sister's physique. Sex isn't the sole issue. Gays MUST CONFORM or be banished. THAT is the point I'm trying to make.

So the gays who do exist among JWs, don't really behave like gays at all.

Do not for a second think that the Witnesses are that inclusive!

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Preaching a drag

by Inquisitor in

jw
friends

anyone here still goes from door to door despite a reluctance to serve the interests of the wts??.

i know i'll have to when i see my folks in a coupla weeks time.

have to keep up the appearance that all is well.

Inquisitor

Wow.. judging from your responses, you people are really pro's at this huh? Hmm lemme guess, this topic is often revisited? (got that link, serendipity, cheers!)

Well a big thank you to you all for your ideas and contributions. Those were kind words, Sheepish. You're sweet ;)

Tuesday, you cracked me up there. I had thought that the title would make people think of preaching to a drag, not as one. hahahahahaha! That's a splendid idea you know, I'd love to see the expression on old Bro. Grimace Self-Righteous when I stumble into my meeting-for-field, in high heels, adjusting my bra straps!! Course I'd have to be moderately inebriated to pull that stunt. God, how many sins can you commit in one morning?!!

I'll see what I can come up with this weekend, jgnat and happydad. I was merely kidding around when I talked about a tract, but yknow, we might be on to something here...

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Doctrine on Homosexuality

by DaveNwisconsin in

i was reading on the web about gays and jw's.

first of all i am gay.

i am not saying i am sorry as i don't feel there is anything bad about it.

Inquisitor

Yadda2

I don't think I've read that article. But I'd be interested to note if the WTS implied that married bro was a gay man turned straight or a gay man leading a straight life? The WTS is famous for enforcing principles without bothering to state it in black and white, but merely hinting at what is righteous. They call it thought-provoking questions or the audience-helped-to-reason technique. I call it the sly-way-of-commanding-your-troops-without-the-threat-of-litigation technique.

I mean take that tale for example. Why did they mention that he was happily married in the end? Is that how they want each gay person to respond to their belief system: to finally adopt a straight lifestyle? If not, then can you think of any other experience related in their mags where the gay-turned-Witness did not NEED a marriageto the opposite sex to prove he is one of JWs, all happy and serving God? Is there one where the gay person still harbors desires but consciously chooses not to act upon his/her desire out of the superior love for Jehovah? Why not? If they truly accept celibate gays shouldn't we have heard of such pat-on-the-back experiences already?

Do not be fooled, what is left unsaid is a comment in itself.

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Doctrine on Homosexuality

by DaveNwisconsin in

i was reading on the web about gays and jw's.

first of all i am gay.

i am not saying i am sorry as i don't feel there is anything bad about it.

Inquisitor

Absolutely, Poztate.

I remember scratching my head the first time I heard that JWs allow gays (sexually castrated or not) to exist in their hallowed KHalls. That's not the impression I've got. I've always been raised with the Witness belief that homosexuality is a gross sin and so any gay people who want to keep associating with JWs need to CHANGE THEIR WAYS.

So this belief that celibate gays can co-exist with Witnesses must be some fancy rhetoric to placate the gay community. No offense to you of course, Dave. I know for a fact that you're not the first to profess this belief. You must have learnt it elsewhere.

Wake up people! JWs don't just want gays to be celibate, they want you to want f*cking someone of the opposite sex. Otherwise full-membership denied.

Funny that you mention the whispers and comments and the shunning of gays, Poztate. That's the treatment some get for pursuing higher education.

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Preaching a drag

by Inquisitor in

jw
friends

anyone here still goes from door to door despite a reluctance to serve the interests of the wts??.

i know i'll have to when i see my folks in a coupla weeks time.

have to keep up the appearance that all is well.

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Anyone here still goes from door to door despite a reluctance to serve the interests of the WTS??

I know i'll have to when I see my folks in a coupla weeks time. Have to keep up the appearance that all is well. God, I'm such a hypocrite. How frustrating! I've actually thought of designing my own tract for the householder. One that says, "Please don't take the mags!! I'm begging you!! You don't know what you're in for. And I don't want to have to come back next Sunday to see you cos I'm gonna fake my demise!"

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