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  Is Annihilation of the Unrepentant Wicked Justice?

  by Ding in

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  we all understand the justice argument against hell: the idea that god might decide that a wicked person's sins merit everlasting conscious punishment offends our sense of justice.. do even hitler's sins merit never-ending conscious punishment for all eternity?.

  we know that the wtbts takes an annihilationist view of the "everlasting" punishment described by the bible.. they teach that there is no separate "soul" or "spirit" that survives physical death and that the ultimate fate of the unrepentant wicked is annihilation by jehovah.. let's assume for the sake of argument that they are right.. is this justice?.

  over the years, the wtbts has flip-flopped on whether or not these wicked people will be resurrected for purposes of judgment or whether they simply will remain dead with no hope of any sort of resurrection.. let's look at various possibilities.

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  Thanks Vander
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  No Sex In the New System - It's Impossible

  by mentallyfree31 in

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  fyi:.

  if you think through the jw belief system, we would have to renounce sexual relations forever to get into the new system.

  jw's believe that those coming back in a resurrection will not be married or given in marriage.

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  Forget the sex, living with the same person forever and ever. After 200 yrs. you have

  heard the same old story A thousand time.I love my wife and she love me, but she told

  me , I do not think I could put up with your butt for 200yrs.
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  FUNERAL ARRANGEMENT FOR A AGONSTIC

  by jam in

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  the dilemma; there is 70 or more family members.

  my son and i are agonstic.. so the rest of my family are baptist , methodist or jw.

  dead, but the question that come up what kind of send off will i have.. i have one relative who is baptist minister, he and i have had many talks in.

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  mamalove; Great idea

  Emptyinside: I agree, I think about my four kids, I guess it will be for them(the funeral

  Serenity; Thanks , I thought I was alone on this.
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  I destroyed @30 jw's today in field service

  by JunkYardDog in

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  2. friends

  2 wt zombies came to my door today.

  and i opened a can of woop a$$ on them.. i did the whole history of wt false prophecies on them and asked them to show me the gospel of 1914?

  they couldn't and i followed them up and down the street proclaiming they were false teachers and couldn't talk their way out of a paper bag with a knowledgeable apostate.

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  Two years after I was baptize, I was doing street work. A old drunk came up

  to us and begain spouting off, where do you think the money go from the

  selling of your magazines. I tell you some rich fat cat in NY. I never forgot

  those words.
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  FUNERAL ARRANGEMENT FOR A AGONSTIC

  by jam in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the dilemma; there is 70 or more family members.

  my son and i are agonstic.. so the rest of my family are baptist , methodist or jw.

  dead, but the question that come up what kind of send off will i have.. i have one relative who is baptist minister, he and i have had many talks in.

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  The dilemma; There is 70 or more family members. My son and I are Agonstic.

  So the rest of my family are Baptist , Methodist or JW. Of course I will be

  dead, but the question that come up what kind of send off will I have.

  I have one relative who is Baptist Minister, he and I have had many talks in

  regarding my belief. Since I am getting up in age and we will all die some day,

  Iam making plans for my funeral. Any suggestion. I have never attended A

  funeral that didn.t have A Minister conducting it. Have anyone attend A

  non-Christian funeral.If my Baptist Minister relative conduct it, it would be the

  shortest funeral talk ever given, he told me so. He live, got married and he

  died. He did not believe in our GOD of the bible, so that means he do not

  believe in heaven or hell so it,s no need to read what God word say on

  the matter. Where he will end up I have no idea, that is what he told me.

  I do not want to be A hypocrite anyway. Just curious have other Agonstis

  thought about this?
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  They keep pushing and pushing for the rank and file to do more and more. Dec 15 WT

  by life is to short in

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  they are causing mental problems by pushing and pushing the ones in to do more and more and more.. the dec 15th wt on page 7 says .

  "you have a document that needs a certain person's attention by the end of the day.

  you mare it urgent!

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  Justitia;; you are right. I had PTSD(viet nam). When I became A JW in 1971 I still had the

  problems as A result of PTSD. Around 1973 I new something was wrong but did not seek

  professional help. Around 1989 my condition had deteriorate so badly that I was unable to work.

  It was then when I begain to get professional help. It was A no no at that time to see A head

  DR. So after I left the JW my condition improved.
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  Is Annihilation of the Unrepentant Wicked Justice?

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all understand the justice argument against hell: the idea that god might decide that a wicked person's sins merit everlasting conscious punishment offends our sense of justice.. do even hitler's sins merit never-ending conscious punishment for all eternity?.

  we know that the wtbts takes an annihilationist view of the "everlasting" punishment described by the bible.. they teach that there is no separate "soul" or "spirit" that survives physical death and that the ultimate fate of the unrepentant wicked is annihilation by jehovah.. let's assume for the sake of argument that they are right.. is this justice?.

  over the years, the wtbts has flip-flopped on whether or not these wicked people will be resurrected for purposes of judgment or whether they simply will remain dead with no hope of any sort of resurrection.. let's look at various possibilities.

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  Vander; Yes I am interested on the subject. Who do you recommend.

  Sorry friends, My post Rape is not in the Bible, what I was saying is the WORD

  rape is not in the Bible, defile is use..
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  They keep pushing and pushing for the rank and file to do more and more. Dec 15 WT

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  they are causing mental problems by pushing and pushing the ones in to do more and more and more.. the dec 15th wt on page 7 says .

  "you have a document that needs a certain person's attention by the end of the day.

  you mare it urgent!

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  I live in A large city in Calif. In the 60,s and 70,s we could cover our territory in A week

  Since I have retired for the last 7years ,I am home when my area is work by the JW,s.

  I can tell you, it is not very often. In the 60,s-70,s you would have three or four cars

  in one block. Ten or more in A single block. Today you might see two or three old ladies.

  One thing I have notice, because of the diversity here in CA. I think this work in favor

  of some of the JW,s. My neighbors are White, Asian, latino, and me black. I have watch

  the black and white JW walk pass my home. They will walk pass my white neighbor, my Asian neighbor and maybe stop at one or two houses in my block. I was told since the territory have Latinos

  that do not speak english we turn those home over to the Spanish cong. Now the

  Spanish Cong. see I am black and never come back same with my neighbors. It,s funny because all my neighbors

  speak English. .But the point I was making Is I do not see JW,s in the service as often

  as I use too. I have heard people remark what happen to the JW,s they don,t come

  around like they use too. Maybe the end came.
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  Can we understand the Bible without the Watchtower?

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not according to c.t russell.

  in the september 15, 1910 wt he made these shocking claims regarding the 6 scripture studies that he wrote:.

  "that is to say, they are not merely comments on the bible, but they are practically the bible itself...".

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  Sacramento : My source Thomas Jefferson
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  Can we understand the Bible without the Watchtower?

  by brotherdan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  not according to c.t russell.

  in the september 15, 1910 wt he made these shocking claims regarding the 6 scripture studies that he wrote:.

  "that is to say, they are not merely comments on the bible, but they are practically the bible itself...".

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  P sacramento you miss the point. It is not how many Christians were killed but how

  many were killed in the name of God. Sodom and Gomorrah, Hittites, Amorites, Canaaites,

  Perizzites,Hivites and theJebusites. The lord your God gives you for an inheritance,

  you shall save alive NOTHING that breathes.And also the flood wipe out a few thousand.