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  Jeremiah 29:10

  by TheOldHippie in

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  the new danish and swedish revisions of the nwt have "lifted up" the nwt-with references footnote alternative rendering of jeremiah 29:10 into being the preferred one, so that it no longer says "in babylon" but "for babylon".

  has there been any change or revision in the english issue?

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  cecil

  Hi OldHippie

  I wrote a letter to the danish bethel about that issue a couple of years ago - and I received a written answer, that basically said: "The expression le BabeI can mean AT Babylon and FOR Babylon". OK, so far so good. Now, here comes the "bonustrack": "It does not make any difference if it says AT or FOR in this case..." was the explanation given to me, as to the reason for choosing FOR instead of AT. Now, I wonder why the danish translators (who, interestingly, now work with Translation Services in Brooklyn (or Patterson?) - their translation-efforts/-work cannot have been that bad then...) did not choose AT Babylon in the first place? OK - That's my little personal experience with Jeremiah 29:10

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  Any advice what to do?

  by cecil in

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  hi folks.

  it has been almost a year since my last posting.

  my wife and i have tried to move on with our lives, since we decided to stop being "active" about 14 months ago.

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  Sorry for being late with my update on what happened when the co and one of the local elders visited us!

  This is what happened: After 5-10 min. of the usual intro (house, jobs) they got to the "case": Why did we stop attending meetings 14 months ago and became inactive? What can be done to get us back? We answered: Why would we want to come back, when elders (who officially tell us that they "oh so much miss us" in private conversations with others in the congregation and the circuit warn against us as apostates and dangerous elements?

  We talked back and forth for some 30 minutes and then came the clue: If we were willing to forgive those who may have said something unfortunate about us, the co was sure that they would welcome us back in the hall (and of course they mentioned how good an oportunity it would be to visit the hallthe next day, when the co was stil there)... That made my wife say: Sorry, but we will not come back. At least not for the time being... We need time to find ourselves after the things that have happened.

  We expected some kind of interrogation reg. the letter I have written to the branch office. But they disappointed us: It seemed as if they only had come to encourage us to come back. Maybe this interrogation is going to come the next time they invite themselves for a coffee-talk.

  For now it seems as if they can live with what we told them - we don't want to cause problems and right now we just want to be left alone. Let's hope it works. Thank you for the many comments we git when I asked for some advice last friday!

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  Any advice what to do?

  by cecil in

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  hi folks.

  it has been almost a year since my last posting.

  my wife and i have tried to move on with our lives, since we decided to stop being "active" about 14 months ago.

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  cecil

  Hi larc, cruzanheart, Mulan, Shakita, Smoldering Wick, metatron, Tinkerbell4125, Kingpawn!

  Thank you for your advice - we will consider it well. Unfortunately I have been quite frank towards some brothers I have known (or should I say: I thought I knew...?!) for decades about my doubts and problems regarding the WTS and my wife is not the kind of person that keeps her feelings in thta regard a secret either. The only reason we have done the "hiding" for some 14 months are our families, who are still in. We are now at a point where we have to find out, if we want to keep on hiding (fading away) - which we feel is against our nature - or if the time has come to "face the facts". We'll know in ca. 18 hours from now... and will keep you updated

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  Any advice what to do?

  by cecil in

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  hi folks.

  it has been almost a year since my last posting.

  my wife and i have tried to move on with our lives, since we decided to stop being "active" about 14 months ago.

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  cecil

  Hi Mulan.

  Have just e-mailed you. Thanks!

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  Any advice what to do?

  by cecil in

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  2. beliefs

  hi folks.

  it has been almost a year since my last posting.

  my wife and i have tried to move on with our lives, since we decided to stop being "active" about 14 months ago.

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  Hi Larc.

  That would be possible, if I had not refused to meet with the CO and the elders a couple of times. This time we decided not to refuse their wish to visit us. So we will meet with them - the only things we do not know for sure is: What shall we tell them? The truth? Or should we tell something, that let's the show go on for a while once again...

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  Any advice what to do?

  by cecil in

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  2. beliefs

  hi folks.

  it has been almost a year since my last posting.

  my wife and i have tried to move on with our lives, since we decided to stop being "active" about 14 months ago.

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  cecil

  Hi folks.

  It has been almost a year since my last posting. My wife and I have tried to move on with our lives, since we decided to stop being "active" about 14 months ago. We have not attended any meeting since we stopped last year. From time to time (4-5 occasions) elders have visited us or called to "encourage" us to come back. We don't want to. (Sorry: I have not been of much help to the others on this board in the past months - but anyway: I'd like to ask for some advice...)

  Earlier this week we received a letter from one of the elders in our congregation, who invited himself for coffee tomorrow afternoon. The CO is visiting the congregation and he/they want to talk to us. Now we wonder what to do: Some of the elders have already marked my wife and me as "apostates" - several families have been warned to have too close (any) contact to us a.s.o. Because of family-members still inside we have decided to (try to...) just keep quiet and see if we can fade away. That seems impossible - some of the elders are hunting us and would wish to be able to hunt us down. Until now we have managed to manouver around the sharp corners, but it gets more and more close.

  I think we are prepared to get df'ed (both of us know, what that's like - we have been df'ed some years ago and worked hard for a "comeback". Please don't ask: "Why didn't you stay out back then...?" We had our reasons). I do not know what they will bring up, when they visit us tomorrow. But we are afraid, that we won't be able to play games: If they push the right buttons, we will kick them out of our home and ask them to never come back again. Should we just get things straightened out and tell them what we feel and believe (both of us feel sick when we even think about meetings, WT-study - or just being JW (which we have been for 30 years) we have had enough "religion" for two lifes...). Or should we just keep quiet once again and try to keep our "show" going.

  Anybody who has experienced something similar? Any advice? Thank you

  cecil

  edited to supply a link to my "intro": http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=4095&site=3

  Edited by - cecil on 22 November 2002 11:12:54
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  How would a WTS 'operative' behave?

  by Simon in

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  i'm sure several here have posted and tried to be a thorn in the flesh of some of the jw-loyal forums on the net.. what was most effective?

  if someone announced "i am an apostate and i think you jws are all wrong and i will prove why" do you think they would last very long?

  to be able to do any damage so to speak, a careful masquarade would need to be maintained of being a loyal jw while stying to stir things up.. now, think of how anyone opposed to us 'opposers' would behave here .... would they announce that they are jws and they they were going to "set us all straight" ... or would they pretend to be an apostate ... pretend to 'help with the cause' but try and do more harm than good?.

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  well said Simon!

  So how should we behave towards this "wt-spy"-class? Well, Mathhew quotes Jesus, saying: "...be as cunning as snakes and as innocent as doves!"

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  NEW UN LETTER-Final nail in WT coffin

  by messenger in

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  2. scandals

  i received this today from a confirmed source.

  i am sure someone will have the actual scans soon.. .

  united nations nations unies.

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  cecil

  Hi folks.

  Sorry - but I doubt that this "published", "scanned" letter is real. Quite a lot of details (a .jpg-logo, real links a.s.o.) make med me wonder - it looks more than fabricated to me.
  Just found this thread today - and just wanted to tell, what I think.

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  Memorial No Shows...Please Check in....

  by ISP in

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  well, i was tempted but i decided not to go to the most bizarre religious ritual of modern times....how about you?.

  isp

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  first no-show - after attending in the past 35 years
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  Favorite food at Assemblies

  by finnrot in

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  i hated growing up as a witness.

  i hated the boring ass meetings where you could hear a pin drop on the floor, i hated going door to door and i hated not being normal like the other kids.. but the one thing i liked was going to the assemlies at the oakland coliseum.

  i would wander around and find other kids to goof around with.

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  cecil

  I don't know if it can be considered food, but - in Denmark we had light-beer at the DA for many years (until 7 or 8 years ago).

  Those were the days...

  cecil