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jaffacake
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Background Information
by Carmel inmany use their avatar as an indication of their personality.. how about your computer screen?
what do you have for a background and does it make a statement about you?.
i like to change mine every week or so.
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The New System...Waiting on Jehovah.... and Acceptance
by ScoobySnax ini was sitting in the garden having a beer with my dad this afternoon, it was a beautiful warm spring day, and we chatted away .......it's a good thing, my dad and me haven't always got on.
i think he thinks i'm not the son he held a 3 day party for when i was born, at least i didn't turn out like he'd hoped.
you see he's a mans man.
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jaffacake
Scooby,
No human can really know what happens after death. The only thing I'm 100% sure of is that JWs are dead wrong with their notions of "qualifying" for a resurrection depending on ........... Do you believe in God as a God of justice?
"the wages of sin is death" (Rom 6:23) So all the "worldly sinners" get a fresh start on a new earth having paid for their sins. How will the witnesses who survive Armageddon pay for their sins? Just trying to show you one of 1,000 proofs that JWs are so so wrong.
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Jesus' Resurrection, shouldn't that also be celebrated?
by JH injesus was the first one to resurrect for eternal life.
every christian religion celebrates jesus' resurrection.
why don't the witnesses also celebrate this important event?
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jaffacake
A JW told me he was annihilated after his death, but rose as a spirit which is the recreated angel Michael. So they don't believe in the resurrection - perhaps that's why they don't celerate it. Do they use the word but give it a different meaning?
Luke 24:36-43 says "...the disciples supposed they had seen a spirit......." Jesus replied " Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
I think they teach that the "Son of God" and "Jesus Christ" are not the same thing, person?
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Jesus' Resurrection, shouldn't that also be celebrated?
by JH injesus was the first one to resurrect for eternal life.
every christian religion celebrates jesus' resurrection.
why don't the witnesses also celebrate this important event?
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jaffacake
Do JW's believe in the resurrection in the same way as Christians do? I thought they believed he turned into gas or something. I'm not convinced they believe he rose from the dead, Am I confused about this??
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It's time thay they thank Jesus personally
by Samson init's interesting to me that as a jw you aren't able to say thank you to jesus personally.
that would be considered praying to him would it not?
if he were here again as a man then it would be o.k.
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jaffacake
Thank BB, I'll try to remember Yashua as a more accurate rendering of His name. A JW mentioned this to me recently to defend his use of Jehovah instead of Jayweh or similar. I think he missed my point. He was the one who considered the spelling & pronunciation of God's name to be important, not me.
His error was to read from John's gospel & expect me to think the term "His name" meant something more than everyhing he is and stands for - His reputation.
Where in Scripture does it say "the letter kills but the spirit gives life" I suppose that is how I'd answer Undecided or anyone who points out the obvious contradictions. We take too much too literally & miss the oveall messages.
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It's time thay they thank Jesus personally
by Samson init's interesting to me that as a jw you aren't able to say thank you to jesus personally.
that would be considered praying to him would it not?
if he were here again as a man then it would be o.k.
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jaffacake
You've really got me thinking. (WARM WELCOME) Many years ago I used to do that daily & never felt better, with a light heart, free from all sin. Not just Catholic "original" (or Adamic) sin. I prayed, witnessed and studied the Bible daily, with real joy. Well that was 30 years ago. I'm tring to do right things now, & studying, researching, but perhaps I've forgotton how to pray to or through the only one Saviour.
I've forgoton so much Scripture, but where does it say that he will be with us (from 2,000 years ago until the end of time - sounds like a parousia or presence to me).
1 Corinthians
"If Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found FALSE WITNESSES OF GOD"
Colossians 2:8,9
?Beware lest any man spoil you by philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.?
1 John 2:27
?But the anointing which you have received of Him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in Him.?
Psalm 119:130 ?The unfolding of your words gives light, it gives understanding to the simple?
Luke 8:39-40 (NWT)"Be on your way back home, and keep on relating what things God did for you." Accordingly he went away,
proclaiming throughout the whole city what things Jesus did for him.?
You'll have me thinking about this all day now my friend. Regards, Jaffa
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JW Ben wants proof the WTBTS is in direct violation of Jesus' teachings
by Honesty inin your post to me you said.... .
"the wtbts is teaching a truth and a law code that is in direct violation of what jesus taught.." .
alright start a thread that clearly demonstartes that thw wtbts is teaching a truth and a law code that is in direct violation of what jesus taught
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jaffacake
See WT 1 December 1981 page 29
?Happily, in the year 1962, Jehovah led his people to an understanding of the principle of relative subjection. It was seen that dedicated Christians must obey secular rulers as the "superior authorities," gladly recognizing these as "god's ministers," or servant for their good. ((Rom. 13:4) However, if these "authorities" ask them to violate God's laws, what then? Up to that point Christians have obeyed the command at Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities." But this is qualified by Jesus' words, as recorded at Matthew 22:21: "Pay back, therefore, Caesar's things to Caesar, but God's things to God." So whenever "Caesar" asks Christians to do things contrary to God's will, they must place Jehovah's law ahead of "Caesar's."
This had also been referred to in a 1972 article:
WT 1972
?Then again, because Romans 13:1 had been construed to mean that the governments of the world must be given unqualified obedience, the witnesses interpreted the "higher powers" or "superior authorities" there mentioned as applying to Jehovah God and Christ Jesus. However, a closer examination of the context revealed that Romans 13:: does indeed refer to political governments of this world But by comparing this scripture with others, such as Acts 5:29, which states, "We must obey God as ruler rather than men," it was seen that the "subjection" mentioned at Romans 13:1 must be a relative subjection, not an unqualified one. That is, Christians are to be in subjection to the governments of this world so long as these do not ask Christians to go contrary to God's laws?.
Most readers of those articles would have accepted what they were being ?fed? as they would only be aware of the previous WT position on issues like military and alternative service (1929 to 1962) so would presumably have accepted the 1962 change as the bright light getting lighter.
I have a problem with this, as it is clear to me that this so called new understanding had been the position the WT Society from the 1880s and lasted right up to 1929. How was it a new understanding in 1962 when the principle of ?relative subjection? contained in Romans chapter 13 was perfectly understood by Russell and Rutherford and the Watchtower Society for decades. This is evident from the following:
Volume I of Studies in the Scriptures (1886) CT Russell described what Jesus & apostles taught as the Christian position:
? They taught the Church to obey the laws, and to respect those in authority because of their office, even if they were not personally worthy of esteem; to pay their appointed taxes, and, except where they conflicted with God's laws?(Acts 4:19; 5:29), to offer no resistance to any established law .? (
WT January 15, 1916. Russell, the editor of The Watch Tower and the author of the article in question, stated:
?The Bible directs the followers of Jesus to be subject to the powers that be. (Romans 13:1-7; 1 Peter 2:13-17) But while seeking to be thus law-abiding in every respect, Christians are to recognize that there is still a higher law and a still higher Ruler, and are to be subject to the worldly powers only in the absence of a contrary admonition from the Higher Power - from God?.
The Watch Tower , July 15, 1916 , CT Russell wrote in the article, "Militarism and Conscience":
? While Christians are enjoined to be subject to the "Powers that be"?the kings, governors, magistrates, etc. - nevertheless this is not to be understood as meaning the renouncement of our fidelity to the King of kings and Lord of lords. He is our Over-Lord. Our allegiance to earthly lords and powers and their commands is merely to the extent that they do not conflict with the commands of our Over-Lord. The Jews in renouncing Jesus cried, "We have no king but Caesar"! The Christian's position is, "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's but unto God the things that are God's." Whenever Caesar and his laws conflict with the divine requirements, all true soldiers of the cross are left no alternative?.Even if the author were misinformed, I would find it hard to accept that whoever approved the 1972 and 1981 articles would not have known about the Watchtower?s pre-1929 clear understanding of ?relative subjection?.
Once again this raises the question of how, and to whom exactly, this new light is revealed?
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Last Two anointed JW's on life support at Bethel !
by moshe ini posted this last week on the e-watchman website .
they didn't laugh much.. i looked on the internet and found that in 1935 you had 52,000 partakers, last year you had 8570..according to the wt, 1935 was the cutoff date for new anointed, after 1935 all are replacements.
lets assume that in 1935 the average age for an anointed was 35 yrs, probably older, but this is convenient.
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jaffacake
I just read a book that says there were more than the 144,000, including tens of thousands of martyrs, eg see Acts, even before the Book Of Revelation was written in about 93CE.
Wish I could find the thread wgere someone reasoned that the number in heaven would add up to 144,001. Or was it a figment of my imagination.
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If The Watchtower were to go bankrupt from lawsuits,Do you think GB and...?
by frankiespeakin inif the watchtower were to go bankrupt from lawsuits???
do you think the governing body and friends would try to hide large sums of money?
my reasoning is:
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jaffacake
How does the baptism questionnaire help them?
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How can I prove to my wife the WT false prophecy quotes are real?
by The Leological One in.
my wife's just started reading through a list of false prophecies, and i'm wondering how i can prove these quotes are real and not just put up by people who hate the wt?
the ones dealing with 1925~!
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jaffacake
Hoob,
I too might take you up on that some time. Nothing works on my friend. I showed him some quotes & scans off the web which he said were fakes. He loaned me his own WT CD, and I proved the more recent stuff - post 1950 - was genuine. By this time he couldn't recall what or why he called stuff fake. He seems momentarily shocked at bits of evidence I show him, but the next day his memory has apparently been erased & he genuinely can't recall the issue.