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My Wife.... Ughh

by roflcopter in

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i don't know how many times i have shown my wife from the societies own literature the fallacies of the past but it still doesn't convince her.

just just shrugs it off and says "at least they were humble enough to admit they are wrong.".

it blows me away cuz i reason and say "what if they are wrong now, if we questioned it we would be expelled.." .

She has been intoctrinated with thought stopping techniques. She has been trained to use cliche's and catch phrases like "at least they are honest about their mistakes" or "where else can we go" or "they are just imperfect men" or "apostates just want to tear down, they never want to build up".

These are just a few examples. By using these cliche's she is able to answer the question in her mind without any further thought or analysis. Anyone trying to get her to view the jw in a negative way is trying to take her faith away! Anyone trying to take her faith away is trying to endanger her hope for eternal life.

Why would she want to listen to that?

You do not have a jw problem, you have a cult problem. Spend more time learning about cults and how to help people in them. Spend less time hassling your wife over her beliefs. It won't work and it will only cause her to view you negatively and with less trust.

Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan is probably the best explanation of this phenomenon. His next book, Releasing the Bonds is excellent as well.

For info on cults check out rickross.org. He has some good videos if you aren't much for reading.

Take care. There is probably nothing more maddening than being married to a JW. But there is hope, and there are many here who share the experience.

Don't try to re-invent the wheel. There are many who have been where you are. We know what works and what doesn't.

CYP

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hello questions about JW

by bananna in

it seems hard to find a jw contact on the internet.

i'm a messianic and i'm trying to get an idea of what jw teach without all the prejudice of the mainstream gossip line.

is there any out there defending the jw beliefs on line?.

Check_Your_Premises

banana,

Some groups with similar an interesting ideas are the

Christadelphians - They maintain similar views on the nature of Christ and believe that the faithful will live forever on a paradise earth

Armstrong groups - These are several break-away sects from the Worldwide Church of God. Two websites I am aware of for these guys are www.thercg.org and www.tomorrowsworld.org (the second one has a tv show!)

Bible Students - These folks believe most of the stuff the JW's do, since this is their founding group. It was started by Charles Taze Russel. When he died Joseph Rutheford took over the publishing company and renamed them the Jehovah's Witnesses. Those who did not wish to go with him remained Bible Students.

Hope this helps!

CYP

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Church of Christ

by TheListener in

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is anyone here associated with a non-denominational church of christ congregation?.

i read the fairly detailed write-up on wikipedia and found it somewhat, key being somewhat, similar to the jws except for the rules and regulations and the strong focus on end times.. it seems like an intriguing religious group.

Check_Your_Premises

Listener,

I didn't read the whole thread so sorry if someone already pointed this out...

I think there are two seperate COC's. One is a cult that uses the same name as the bigger, orthodox group. I am not sure how to distinguish the two. If you show up and get love bombed, you know which one!

CYP

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by jw in

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can you people honestly say gods spirit is guiding you?].

i think not!

Check_Your_Premises

CYP: jw,

That was profoundly succinct.

Not profound, just a computer glitch while posting....

...wise ass

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by jw in

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can you people honestly say gods spirit is guiding you?].

i think not!

Check_Your_Premises

jw,

That is an interesting question.

I always remembered the account in Matthew 12, where the pharisees attributed Jesus' ability to cast out demons to satan. Jesus then went on to tell them that blasphemy against the son of man would be forgive, but blasphemy against the holy spirit would not.

I have always struggled with that verse, since it seems counter to Jehovah's nature that there is a sin that would not be forgiven. Nevertheless I have always been VERY careful not to attribute the works of other to satan.

With that said, I think the whole game of crediting success to Jehovah is a dicey game. Naturally we want to attribute any success we have to Jehovah, it gives us instant spiritual "street cred". On the other hand, if we do it to much we risk making Jehovah look bad when we make fools out of ourselves. Naturally, Jehovah does not deserve credit for the mormons falsely claiming that native Americans are related to Jews in the face of irrefutable DNA evidence.

And what about anyone who is successful? Does Microsoft have Jehovah's blessing? What about people who simply are using good practical methods and processes that naturally lead to success? Is it possible for instance that the Jehovah's Witnesses might have his blessing, but at the same time they are using very effective methods to grow membership and maintain loyalty?

What might those methods be? Would JW for instance be as effective if they recommended that all read any argument or look at any fact that might support the explanation the JW are not his organization? I mean if they have Jehovah's spirit, it shouldn't matter should it?

Shouldn't the truth always welcome questioning and doubts because it knows it's quality will be proven and our faith made stronger in the light of honest examination?

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by jw in

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can you people honestly say gods spirit is guiding you?].

i think not!

Check_Your_Premises

jw,

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I saw the movie United 93

by pratt1 in

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as i mentioned in an earlier post, i went to see the movie united 93 with a group of friends who were with me at the wtc on 9/11.. first, i encourage all of you who feel that you are ready to see this reenactment as a movie, to see it.

because it is on a wide screen and most of the film takes place in the traffic controller's offices and the inside of the plane, you get the feeling of actually being part of the action.. the film tells the story of how the traffic controllers, military, and the passengers of the plane realized that what started out as a few planes missing from radar turned into a delibrate terrorist attack on our government.. filmed in what seemed to be almost real time you see how people went from bewilderment, panic to resolve and of course eventually the actual tradgey.. it is quite heartwenching watching the passengers realize that they were going to die, and how many of them communicated with their loved ones, leaving them with messages of love and resolve.. i hope i haven't given too much away.. it really makes you realize that an unforeseen occurrence can alter your life forever.

Check_Your_Premises

I saw it the day it opened.

It was obviously designed to make you feel as if you are THERE. It ends looking out the cockpit as they struggle for control of the plane. The ground comes up and then at the moment of impact goes to black. You die with them.

There has been much talk about this movie being propaganda or speculation or even exploitation.

I don't think it was. If anything it was completely devoid of commentary.

Obviously there was some speculation as to the events on the plane in those final minutes. All the info we have (unless you are convinced that everything the "government" tells us is a lie) was from phone conversations with those on the ground and the data from the inflight recorder. All depictions of the individuals were made based on extensive research on these folks with input from their families (probably not the families of the terrorists).

As far as I know, everything that was depicted was tied to some information. Any events that were speculated on appeared to me to be completely plausible and even likely. Ultimately it was a "best guess" as to what really happened. But anyone who would complain about it would have to provide a better explanation based on some verifiable fact. Quite a challenge indeed.

And ulitmately what does it matter. The plane went down before it hit the capitol building. Unless you are convinced that the plane was shot down by the "government", you have to acknowledge that however successful they were, these folks are the reason why.

Rest in peace, and thank you!

CYP

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JW's TORTURES DAUGHTER TO DEATH

by DannyHaszard in

girl's brother testifies father fatally beat her

chicago tribune, united states - 20 minutes ago .

... avenue, chicago.

Check_Your_Premises

I'm not sure what happened after that, but the elders were pissed off that she had "brought reproach upon Jehovah's name" by exposing their dirty little secrets. Assholes.

So let me get this straight. You are saying that elders would rather let someone be abused then to damage the jw reputation by reporting the abuse to authorities.

This isn't written anywhere obviously.

How many elders act this way? What percentage would not report the abuse?

I know this is speculation, but how do so many get the message not to report abuse? I know, unwritten rules and all.

CYP

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JW's TORTURES DAUGHTER TO DEATH

by DannyHaszard in

girl's brother testifies father fatally beat her

chicago tribune, united states - 20 minutes ago .

... avenue, chicago.

Check_Your_Premises

Like others here, I am inclined not to use the behavior of a single person as a way to discredit an entire group. I have to think any JW I have ever met or known would be completely disgusted by this.

On the other hand, some of these children were in there teens! Didn't ANYBODY notice all the bruises? The attitudes that would have to be in place to support this level of cruelty surely manifested themselves in other ways for all to see?

I have a question. If an elder became aware of physical abuse in a home, would it EVER lead to a call to the authorities?

CYP

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What kind of safety precautions do dubs take for field service?

by Check_Your_Premises in

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friends

do they provide guidelines about safely entering homes?.

if a jw enters a home for the first time, what kind of safety precautions are taken by the car group to ensure the safety of the jw?.

for instance i was shocked to find out my jw wife wasn't instructed by the elders as to which homes belonged to registered sex offenders.

Check_Your_Premises

Blondie,

I thought of playing that card.

I wonder what kind of support I would get from her real "husband".

I mean seriously. Say she is out with 3 Sister Super Pioneer's and one of them says "let's do door to door so you can work on that presentation". Like she is really going to say, "No, I can't. My unbelieving husband has forbidden me to do door to door work with my toddler"

yeah right

I might get her to agree not to go into houses she doesn't know.

CYP

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