Posts by B4Right

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CAUGHT IN THE ACT OF LYING: True teaching cannot become Old Light if it becomes New Light again afterward.

by TerryWalstrom in

watchtower governing body leadership directly impacts 7 million members earth wide.

would he change a true teaching?

up to that point christians have obeyed the command at romans 13:1: "let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities.

B4Right

And now from the GB we have the change of how one becomes a sheep or goat!

WT 3/15/2015- to be a sheep from 1920s till 2010s understanding was how you accepted the kingdom message- now - to be a sheep it is how you treat/ support Christ brothers ( the anointed)!

Everything has become so "Governing Body- centric"! It's obey us or be destroyed! We got ours- we are on our way to heaven- you better be obedient to those GB put in charge!

with this adjusted understanding- who will keep up with the level of how you treat Christ anointed?

what will determine how much or how little your support is?

how will a person know -that to be saved you have to live a life supporting the anointed unless you become one of JW? So only JWs and those associated will pass thru Armageddon based on this WT.

where in Jesus illustrations does it say the faithful slave will lead his people's and the people's will follow and obey! Ask that of the next JW that come to your door! Also ask them if they are all going to heaven at Armageddon - who is going to run things here on earth!

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Recognizing Christ's leadership involves submission to his "brothers." 5/15/2011 WT

by miseryloveselders in

jw
friends

i hesitated to do this thread as i thought it was the same article flipper did, but its not the same article.

here's flip's thread for those who missed it.

it's a must read.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/207377/1/april-15th-wt-wt-society-says-obeying-us-is-same-as-obeying-god.

B4Right

Here it is again making another change or updating or restating the current "understanding". WT March 15, 2015 pages 26 -27.

1881 - christ brothers were anointed and those on earth after the 1,000 years

- to be a sheep one had to live in Gods way of love

1920 - christ brothers anointed ONLY

- to be a sheep one had to believe in gods kingdom and life in paradise on earth,acknowledge

Jesus as Lord.

1995 - christ brothers anointed ONLY

- to be sheep depended on how you responded to the message

2015 - christ brothers anointed "MEN and WOMEN" (was it just men before???)

-to be sheep one has to have the proper treatment of the anointed and support them in preaching work.

(this means that only Jehovahs Witnesses will be saved at Armageddon - it's the only way one could

even know of christ brothers)

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Another reason god is a terrible "father"

by _Morpheus in

its easy to look around and say if a singular all powerful were real he would stop the suffering of man and animal, a position i support.

however there is another even more basic premise i have pondered at times as well (im sure im not the first of course) : would any loving parent ever hide from their children?

consider it... our all knowing all loving father hides from us even though we cry out to know him.

B4Right

Since God is not human, we need to not think of him acting like a human dad as we know it.

In Jesus explaining " the father" it is in the form of being our creator, our existence and what our bodies need to survive is how and why we look at him as " father" and not in the paternal since of the word.

God never asked us to look to him as a paternal being since he is a spirit.

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With Jehovah's HELP

by B4Right in

how many times have you said that phrase?.

how often have you heard it in conversation with the friends?.

how often have you heard it in talks?.

B4Right

How many times have you said that phrase?

how often have you heard it in conversation with the friends?

how often have you heard it in talks?

In reality does it really have substance?

because when things go right its Jehovah helped , if things don't go right its Satans fault is the usual reasoning.

what has been your experience with this phrase " with Jehovah's help?

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the extreme position god went through

by msconcerned in

in at the meeting, why do we think god made such a huge sacrifice when he gave his son

B4Right

In the great minds of the "founding fathers"

Gods plan took a detour because of freakin Adam and Eve and so plan B had to be put into motion since there was no such thing as a " remake human" or " Start over" project on the table.

Since JESUS spent a zillion years with his father the time came for them to temporary depart ways...what happens when someone you dearly love - your own child--has to leave home for the next 33 years- even though you know in advance for the sake of saving the lives of strangers!!

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Don't Miss the Meetings - Hebrews 10:24, 25 Re-examined

by Oubliette in

i recently got an unsolicited lecture from a well-intentioned but nevertheless misguided jw friend.

the gist of it was that i needed to go to all the meetings or i would miss out on "everlasting life.".

i responded that i do not need to go to meetings to have a relationship with god.

B4Right

Thanks "O" for that breakdown. I have used the same points in similar scenarios with the same results. Approaching it as you mention-" this what the bible say and teach".

when I was a elder I myself would use other translations to hammer the point about making the meetings- one translation I can't remember now said "don't miss meetings" I used to use.

I repeat what someone said about the book study being "axed" I recall at a convention the society saying that it's one of the most important meetings to attend it's the place we will need once the governments close our KH's hence forth that latest photo in one the study articles with the " friends" huddled in what looks like a basement.

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The Custom of having Congregation Meetings

by Quarterback in

the wt study (feb study edition) for today stated "the jews had established a pattern.

of worship.

they regularly met together.

B4Right

At my meeting the conductor said the early Christians met the same as we do today. He has said in the past that missing meetings is telling Jehovah that we don't appreciate Christ sacrifice!

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Today's WT

by OneFingerSalute in

so today's wt seems to put out the idea that during early christian times it was god's hand that made the romans build roads, have strong laws, etc.

to make the preaching easier.. anyone else notice that?

some here really banged on about how great it was that god did that, just for them.

B4Right

Hey you are missing the point of this weeks "lesson"( just kidding) - technology and invention is what "GODS" people is taking advantage of to spread the kingdom message.

I think there is a scripture somewhere that gods people will drink the milk of the nations or something to that affect.

our WT conductor said Christians were having the same meetings we have today!

quotes from anyone pagan or not is only used to suit the organization- its " the word" in " print" that makes them JW law!

did you catch this in par. 17 for next week:

"Clearly we have strong evidence of Gods blessing. Of course, Jehovah does not rely on our help to accomplish his purposes. Yet our loving Heavenly Father allows us to be his fellow workers thus enabling us to show our love for him and for our neighbor."

yeah this sounds like they are spirit - directed alright!

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The real answer to why is the Watchtower Corporation so indulgently corrupt

by Finkelstein in

to derive at a correct answer as to why has the watchtower corporation been so corrupt and devious comes it toward that fact this religious publishing house has had men placed in a position to come up with appealing doctrines to allure the publics attention to the very literature the organization's published.

the return of christ, the end times and great tribulation is at hand as well armageddon.

these were all posturing doctrines which the wts has used extensively all throughout the 20th century and before.

B4Right

Just to think over 7 million people who have been conditioned to close their ears to anything negative about the organization! All these people held in invisible suspended animation by the seat of their pants!

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Impossible conversation: Jesus and Nicodemus: YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN

by Terry in

i am a member on new testament scholar bart ehrman's blog, and the professor is currently outlining a new book he is writing about false memory and the life of jesus.. an interesting post occurred today in which he gives an example of a very famous scripture,.

example of a false memory of jesus teaching i turn to a famous passage in the gospel of john, jesus dialogue with nicodemus (john 3:1-15).

nicodemus is said to be a jewish leader who comes up to jesus and affirms that jesus must come from god because of the great things that he said to have done.

B4Right

I can't understand how Bart after decades of study doesn't believe in GOD! I can understand not believing in the bible - but not a Creator, not intelligent design!