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  Who Was Cain Afraid of?

  by patio34 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when god banished cain, why was he in fear of his life when there was only he and his family on the earth?

  after all, how many could there have been and is it logical to think they were everywhere else--anywhere else but where cain and his family lived?

  so, who was he afraid of that would take his life?.

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  bobsy

  There is no years given as to how old Cain was when he killed Abel so we have to make a few assumptions from the text and from our own knowledge of population explosions.

  Let's say Eve had a child every 2-3 years ..... over 50 years she could have had 150 children plus ...

  Some of the older ones would have married the younger sisters and they would have had children dirng that time and would have been moving into different areas.

  I could give the example of a family I know of for just 60 years. They had 13 children. they now have 52 Grandchildren and they have another 16 great grandchildren - the eldest great grand daughter is now 24 years old and having her own family .... so great greats are already here - about 4 I think it is now .... and the eldest GGchild is now 7 years old. Give it another 9 plus years and she could be having babies too ..... They are spread between Perth and north Queensland.

  That makes 72 direct descendants not counting those who married into the families all in 60 years.

  If you look at the records of births in Australia from settlement you can also see how it can happen. Keep in mind that we had about 5 million people at the beginning of WW1, and let's say abotu 1/3 of them had been born and raised in Australia, we are talking about 1.7 million people who were born in Australia in just over 130 years!

  As for the Sumarian stories ..... they are in all the cultures around the world so there has been a basic story handed down for centuries ..... When I looked a bit more into it I found that the only reason a person can say the Sumarian records are older than the Jewish is because the Sumarian records were on stone while the Jewish were on skins and were perishible and had to be replaced ......

  What if in 5000 years someone comes across some of our records - some on CDs and others on perishible paper that had to be replaced over the years to replace them ..... yet the originals may have been written about the same time ..... the only thing that proves is that the non-perishibles didn't have to be replaced all the time ... not that the records preceded the original information

  Hope this helps a bit
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  How to Become a Cult Leader - Great online Video!

  by Jang in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this video is well worth watching online!!!!!.

  http://web2.supersphere.com:8080/ramgen/content/tv/mindcontrol15fps072700.rm.

  jang.

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  bobsy

  this sounded just like the organization ..... !
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  Reposting JUSTICE SERIES

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi everyone: many on this forum have not read my justice series.

  so, in addition to my "deceptive jw elders" and "taking our life back" series, i plan to repost my 13 justice series that were originally posted on h20.

  (there are actually 16 cases if you count #4a through 4d separately.

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  bobsy

  I am looking forward to this Amazing.
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  Cult of Apostates

  by Victor_E in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the cult of jw apostates is a worldwide phenomenon that keeps growing.

  unlike their counterparts it takes very little to recruit new members.

  while the jws spend thousands of hours in making a new convert it only takes a moment to get someone to open their eyes and wake up from the social hypnosis the jws induced upon them.. there is no legal vow an apostate needs to take.

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  bobsy

  This is exactly how I have found it outside the organization. I have been so blind to all the good people out here and I am so glad they were so nasty to me in the congregation because it made me think really hard.
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  TAKING OUR LIVES BACK - #2

  by Amazing in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  taking our lives back #2 .

  choices of conscience, freedom of thought, common sense, personal taste, individual maturity, accepting consequences of our choices, accountability for actions, personal determination, and the right and need to ask questions, even to question authority are among the cherished features humanity.

  when religion, government, business, or other social arrangements interfere with these, they encroach upon our dignity, our self-worth, our most basic rights and the foundation of our existence.. how the wts entrapped us: when someone begins studying with the jws, they are led to understand and believe that religion in general, especially christendom have not properly helped people to understand gods requirements and his expectations to be met in order for us to have a relationship with god and gain his approval.. the process begins with basic issues that are rather obvious to the modern mentality, such as not worshipping idols (a.k.a.

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  Thankyou for these articles Amazing. You and JanG have been so thoughtful to post this kind of informaiton to help us recover. I really appreciate it all.
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  Are Pedophiles Knocking At Your Door?

  by silentlambs in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the following are ads to place in your local paper to help get the word out regarding molestation issues within the watchtower organization.

  we ask that you do not add any further information other than what is listed here as we wish the message to be uniform.. any suggestions can be sent to info@silentlambs and will be considered.

  1.. are pedophiles knocking on your door?.

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  bobsy

  We had a sister in our congregation who was molested by an elder. She was only 9 years old when he started to molest her and when she got the courage to speak she was 13 years old. By this time he had actually had intercourse with her and all . They actually blamed her for not speaking up sooner and said that she had consented so they disfellowshipped her The elder was repentent and was removed as an elder, but he is still in the congregation and his wife was told to forgive him for it and stay with him.

  And he knocks on doors too
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  He ain't Heavy! He's my Brother!

  by Jang in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i thought the whole article should be posted here and on h20 as a new topic.. .

  june 3 2001 at 8:47 am.

  i know it wasn't too long ago when you first came to the board to post (although you'd been lurking for quite a long time, right?).

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  bobsy

  I can understand this and I agree with it all.

  I have always like that song too.
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  For Christians who want to befriend xJW's

  by Jang in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the last 20 years i have seen christians make the same mistakes over and over again.

  they think that all they have to do is preach and xjws will respond .... doesn't work!

  i have seen very few xjws who have become christians immediately and stayed that way.

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  bobsy

  There is a Christian lady who lives near me who has been really good to me. She never preaches to me but she has always been there for me even when I was active. When I had my last baby and was sick for a few weeks she would come every day and help me in the home and help care for my other 2 children and cook meals and everything .... not one of the people in my congregation came to help even though they were in my street witnessing. This is what made me realize there was something really wrong. This Christian lady still helps me and has helped me meet other ladies in my area and has taken me to her ceramics club and helped me get a new life. I have known this lady for 5 years now and she is just what I believe a real Christian should be.
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  Specific traits of a mature, self-assured person

  by Jang in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this is the other half of the information given to me many years ago.

  i also lookat this occasionally to assess where i am and remind me to keep going .

  specific traits of a mature, self-assured person.

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  bobsy

  This is really good JanG. I can see a lot of work ahead of me but I know I can make it.

  I really appreciate the people on here who have posted this type of information. I didn't know there were so many people who really cared for others outside the organization. I was so blind to all the good in this world.
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  Moving on to Personal Responsibility

  by Jang in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when we leave the organization we are beginning to take responsibility for our own lives and not looking to others to make decisions for us.

  growing into the person you are meant to be is an interesting and fulfilling journey.

  here are some guidelines someone gave me many many years ago which i look at from time to time to see how i am going.. what is accepting personal responsibility?.

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  bobsy

  Wow .... no wonder you kept this. Thankyou for this one too.