If this change is for real, among other things, doesn’t it once again display complete disregard for ordinary JWs? Many religious organisations would consult members before making such an important change. Far less than consulting members, often Watchtower doesn’t even offer any explanation for such changes. Wouldn’t it be at least courteous to ordinary JWs who have already been baptised using the old wording, as well as prospective members using the new wording, to explain the reasons for the change? Instead ordinary JWs are left to speculate and wonder: as lesser mortals they apparently have no right to know the whys and wherefores of changes that impact them personally. Watchtower may argue that this is how “theocracy” functions. That might excuse the decision making process, but it doesn’t explain the complete lack of explanation for decisions made. The attitude of Watchtower toward ordinary members dispalys contempt.
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JWs Changing "Baptism Questions" Effective May 13?
by Room 215 in.
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My thoughts over "this Generation" as a Jew would understand it
by Aleph ini saw the video over the word "generation" and how you david s explained it.one thing for sure, is david doesn't understands at all how hebrews sees and understands things.let me explain...middle asians from antiquities, and hebrews saw things, in a complete different way than europeans are perceiving times and events!we, as modern europeans, we see the future in front of us, past in our back, right ?....
for the jews it s the contrary.how come ?well, for a jew they think past is in front of them because they can see it.future is in their back, as they can't see it.same thing for a generation.generation are seen from the perspective of the people who lived but died until a certain point, not the contrary as europeans sees the generation from a date of birth.
now really you can have a complete understanding of this when the bible says :" the date of death worth more than the date of birth"....again, you can judge not from how a person was born, but from what he had done in his life, same will apply for a generation.also as the wt stated well that the things described by the "sign" of the parousia were chronological, and happening in a certain order, the verse that talks about the genea is located not directly in reference of the parousia, but in the text referring to the great tribulation.
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Well I was at a discussion last night hosted by Muslim refugees at the Nurture Society, but I didn’t think to bring up this topic. We had an interesting discussion about religion as a force for good and bringing people together. And they gave us a Turkish meal, which was excellent. These Muslims are mainly Gulenists, from what I gather, so they are fairly liberal in outlook and in particular are very pro education.
I don’t know where the Christadelphian I was talking to got the idea of 120 years in connection with Muslims. Muslims are a very diverse community, of course, it’s possible some segment of Islam ascribes some importance to the number 120. The connection to a generation seems more tenuous. The only thing I can find online is reference to a word qarn which can mean an age or 120 years.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.1086/669204?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
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JWs Changing "Baptism Questions" Effective May 13?
by Room 215 in.
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There was a period in the 1930s when Rutherford tought that the Holy Spirit was no longer active in the world and Jehovah used angels to accomplish his wishes instead. Interestingly this resembles the Christadelphian teaching on the Holy Spirit because they traditionally hold that the Holy Spirit is no longer active on earth since the death of the apostles, except through the pages of the inspired scriptures.
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Flip-flop-flip contradictions. Any other religions you know of guilty of these?
by FatFreek 2005 injehovah's witnesses are loaded with them, from resurrection of the sodomites, the superior authorities, transplants of human organs, oral sex between married couples, etc etc.. i've been trying to think of other christian religions with contradictions, especially flip-flop flip contradictions with a return to the original doctrine.. please help me out here..
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Mormons:
plural marriage/no plural marriage
no black priests/black priests
baptise Holocaust victims/don’t baptise Holocaust victims
no ecumenism/ecumenism
don’t accept children of gay couples/accept children
book of Abraham provenance and meaning
missionaries not allowed smart phones/now allowed smart phones
sunday meeting times reduced
age and gender adjustments on missionary assignments
Probably a lot more, these are just a few I am aware of.
Edit: sorry those are just changes, not flip flops. I should have read more carefully!
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The Watchtower Tract Society doesn't print Bibles?
by Nathan Natas inafter reading a few comments here, i thought it was time for me to get a copy of "the silver sword" for my own occasional research and occult practices.
so i thought i would see if jw.org would offer a way that i could purchase a printed copy (not digital) of the new world translation.
as i browsed, it occurred to me that i might also like to have a copy of the... what was it?
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careful, was this a few years ago? I wonder if this experience could be repeated these days. Because I remember when carts first started they were told to have Bibles and other literature on hand. Since then they have downscaled their literature offer considerably, even to the point that the cart posters are now designed to “start a conversation” rather than feature an actual item of literature. My guess is that many JWs on carts, if asked for a copy of the Bible, would first want to know why you want one, probably don’t have spare copies on hand, and might want to arrange a visit.
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JWs Changing "Baptism Questions" Effective May 13?
by Room 215 in.
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Is this for real? Removing mention of “spirit directed”? Bizarre. I can’t think of any practical or theological motive for it.
Interesting to me that Christadelphians baptise people in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.
The person conducting the baptism stands over the person being baptised and says: “you (include name) have given a good confession of your faith in Jesus Christ, therefore I hereby baptise you in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Ghost”, followed by baptism. Quite simple.
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My thoughts over "this Generation" as a Jew would understand it
by Aleph ini saw the video over the word "generation" and how you david s explained it.one thing for sure, is david doesn't understands at all how hebrews sees and understands things.let me explain...middle asians from antiquities, and hebrews saw things, in a complete different way than europeans are perceiving times and events!we, as modern europeans, we see the future in front of us, past in our back, right ?....
for the jews it s the contrary.how come ?well, for a jew they think past is in front of them because they can see it.future is in their back, as they can't see it.same thing for a generation.generation are seen from the perspective of the people who lived but died until a certain point, not the contrary as europeans sees the generation from a date of birth.
now really you can have a complete understanding of this when the bible says :" the date of death worth more than the date of birth"....again, you can judge not from how a person was born, but from what he had done in his life, same will apply for a generation.also as the wt stated well that the things described by the "sign" of the parousia were chronological, and happening in a certain order, the verse that talks about the genea is located not directly in reference of the parousia, but in the text referring to the great tribulation.
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Someone told me the other day that he heard from a Muslim that they consider 120 years to be one generation. I have never heard this before, but it struck me, because some have speculated 2034 could be a new Watchtower date (1914+120). It was a Christadelphian to told me this, and they have a history of their own speculations.
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BRANCH OVERSEER : "Apostates are GOOD people !"
by Aleph inthis is quite incredible.during his talk, the branch overseer, made a special talk dedicated to the apostates.. he clearly emphasis his point, "apostates used to be between us, really you can talk with apostates, those people are good, of course their point of vue is different than ours now but they are mostly very nice poeple, and you shouldn't be afraid to talk with them.
"though as usual, the reaction of the brothers was quite the same, impassive, i was very surprise by this statement.i cannot assume if this is just a one man step ahead towards the apostates, or really a change in their policies, this came from the mouth of a branch overseer.of course, for obvious reason, i won't give the name of the brother, which is famous, but only here in an central european country.i would have expected him to quote more scriptures, but he didn't, he could have use the one for jesus himself :"you should love your enemies", as apostates were really the "enemies" for the wtbs for such a long time, maybe now that the king of the north is awaken, apostates are not so bad after all ?
just wondering....
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It could be a doubter, or it could be a true believer. Sometimes the staunchest of true believers can innocently word things in a way that resembles a skeptic, because their true belief blinds them to the fact that what they say could appear subversive. If someone really, truly believes in Watchtower 100%, then it could make logical sense to make “charitable” comments about apostates because they are lost souls. If he 100% believes in Watchtower then he genuinely doesn’t view apostates as a threat to his own belief, just misguided people.
Most JWs don’t seem to fall into this category, however, because most JWs carry some doubts around with them. And most harbour at least some suspicion that apostates may endanger their faith if given the opportunity, and are therefore not inclined to be charitable or open toward them.
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Advice on Disassociating
by HiddenPimo inhello my exjw/pimo/pomo friends,.
i am working on penning my da letter and wondered if i should use it as a tool to maybe wake up individuals as the boe will have to read it.. anyone have any advice on what i should say versus what i should leave out?
i am not going to fade as my family can either be loyal to blood or loyal to a man made religion.
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Don’t do it.
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How do they decide when to get rid of certain information in their publications?
by Tameria2001 ini was recently watching a video on youtube and on the john cedars channel, he was talking about how the watchtower has discontinued quite a few of their books from back when i was still active.
so it got me to thinking about how do they decide that certain teaching doesn't fit them anymore.
so i was wondering does anyone have any ideas on how they come to that decision because if any of their members bring up something, that person can be disfellowshipped?.
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I’ve always assumed that the rule is: any statement on any issue stands unless it is contradicted by a more recent statement. I can’t point to anywhere that outlines this policy, but it just seems to be the way JWs approach teachings in the literature.
It’s true that the older a statement gets then it begins to raise a question whether it is still teaching, even when it has not been subsequently contradicted. An often cited example is the teaching about 7000-year creative days in Genesis, which was often stated in literature especially leading up to 1975. If I remember correctly the last statement to this effect was the 1980s, or earlier. So is it still current JW, or not? I don’t think it is clear. Unless someone has more information on this topic?