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  Trump supporters want to repeal 19th amendment

  by keyser soze in

  1. social
  2. current

  seriously, you can't make this shit up.

  and these same people will accuse hillary of rigging the election after she wins:.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-supporters-repeal-19th-amendment-article-1.2828571.

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  slimboyfat

  Things are going bad for Trump if even Farage is throwing him under a bus.

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/37668909
  
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  Dinner plans canceled because "I need to talk to the elders". Huh?

  by Darkknight757 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so this past week the wife and i have received several phone calls and text messages from our old hall.

  we were also invited out to dinner to catch up with some old friends.

  an hour before dinner this guys wife messaged my wife and said that she "can't wait for tonight!!

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  slimboyfat

  The most annoying thing is these people probably consider themselves righteous for behaving this way. As if it is a merit to treat other people like dirt in the service of some undefined rule and associated shunning.
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  Extreme rules on Dating – is this for all congregations?

  by Bonnie_Clyde in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just found out that in the congregation we used to attend there are two young brothers, both are sons of elders and recently engaged to girls in neighboring congregations.

  instructions are that they may not sit together at assemblies or meetings.

  but get this….they can’t even ride in the same car even if their parents are also in the car.

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  slimboyfat

  Sounds like more than just strict rules. Maybe the parents don't approve of the choices.
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  UK Home Office ‘covered up racism of abuse judge’

  by darkspilver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  another month.

  another headline.

  another frontpage.

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  slimboyfat

  Who knows, the claims may be true, but coming from an establishment and media populated by proven inveterate liars, how are we supposed to tell? It could just as easily be true that she was uncovering things that many rather not be uncovered.
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  Trump supporters want to repeal 19th amendment

  by keyser soze in

  1. social
  2. current

  seriously, you can't make this shit up.

  and these same people will accuse hillary of rigging the election after she wins:.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-supporters-repeal-19th-amendment-article-1.2828571.

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  slimboyfat

  Considering a majority of Trump supporters think Obama is a Muslim, I don't think there is a great danger of underestimating the intelligence of these deplorables.
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  Trump supporters want to repeal 19th amendment

  by keyser soze in

  1. social
  2. current

  seriously, you can't make this shit up.

  and these same people will accuse hillary of rigging the election after she wins:.

  http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-supporters-repeal-19th-amendment-article-1.2828571.

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  slimboyfat

  I'm looking forward to Trump getting beat heavily. I follow Nate Silver's projections. Clinton is heading for a landslide.
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  Been witnessing today - first time in over 2 years!!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and it felt wonderful!!.

  i went into the city to where i knew there was a "cosmopolitan witnessing" trolley, because i wanted to ask a simple bible-based question.

  the trolley was attended by an elder and a sister who was another elder's wife.

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  slimboyfat

  Well it seems to put the patriarchs in heaven, whereas JWs teach they are of the "earthly class".
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  Been witnessing today - first time in over 2 years!!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and it felt wonderful!!.

  i went into the city to where i knew there was a "cosmopolitan witnessing" trolley, because i wanted to ask a simple bible-based question.

  the trolley was attended by an elder and a sister who was another elder's wife.

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  slimboyfat

  I can see the argument for planting seeds of doubt. Because although I don't think rational arguments often persuade JWs to leave the religion, little seeds of doubt can be stored at the back of the mind, ready to be deployed whenever a JW reconsiders his membership, usually initially for personal reasons. I think many former JWs have the experience of suppressing doubts and putting them aside, only to revisit them later when leaving the religion. So it's good to have these sorts of things in the mind for when they may be useful.

  I always remember an apostate sign that simply read:

  Matt 8:11 - proof the Watchtower is lying to you!
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  Been witnessing today - first time in over 2 years!!

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  and it felt wonderful!!.

  i went into the city to where i knew there was a "cosmopolitan witnessing" trolley, because i wanted to ask a simple bible-based question.

  the trolley was attended by an elder and a sister who was another elder's wife.

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  slimboyfat

  That's an interesting point about there being badness during the thousand years on the basis of John 5:29. They don't show that in the pictures.

  Are you a Bible believing Christian still? I'm not sure I'd want to use the Bible in a discussion in a way that indicated I believe it has authority. But I see the angle of defending the Watchtower position against the JW, and the irony of him taking the wrong side.

  I mostly pass JWs at carts by these days. I am at a loss to know what I can tell them that would do any good. JWs who are full in are apt to turn any sort of conversation you have with them into evidence that their religion is true.

  If you present as a member of the public with a question it confirms their identity as a person who answers the truth from the Bible.

  If you catch them out in some way then you may be labelled an opposer or apostate, in which case this is further proof that they gave the true religion because, persecution!

  JWs have been so well prepared mentally to fit any sort of interaction with anyone into a narrative that confirms that they have the truth that it's virtually impregnable.

  I am convinced that JWs rarely if ever are dissuaded from believing the religion on the basis of rational argument.
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  what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?

  by aboveusonlysky in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.

  shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.

  that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.

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  slimboyfat

  Very good point. The unavoidable implication seems to be that what matters is how convincing the person is rather than how sorry they are. And elders are considered to be the perfect judge.

  Plus it's clear from the "err on the side of DFing" tone of the comments that they would consider it a greater tragedy for someone who wasn't really repentant to be spared than for someone who was was really rentant to be DFed.