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  Did Jesus say the God of the OT is not the same God as mine??

  by Diogenesister in

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  bart erhman states, in this you tube short presumably taken from the video series he has been doing with megan lewis*, that jesus said the god of the ot, the god of jeremiah, is not the (same)god as jesus.

  bart continues "jeremiah's god killed (the children) - jesus said let the children come to me.

  jesus' god said turn the other cheek" - the ot god was war-like etc (paraphrasing bart here a bit).. it's always been the thing that stopped my fully embracing the bible after leaving watchtower.

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  Yes I read Carrier’s book on Bayesian probability and history. I can’t say I was convinced. It all begins with making guesses. That’s fine, he claims, because the method works whatever starting point, but is my guess really as good as yours? His bigger book “On the Historicity of Jesus” doesn’t seem to have impressed many scholars. There’s one Australian scholar who gave it a good review. I found it a very dry read cut into small parts on diverse topics with slow and confusing progression.

  I liked his more recent book “Jesus from Outer Space” where he argues that the first Christians believed Jesus was the archangel Michael - remind you of anyone? But again, it don’t think it’s likely to become widely cited by scholars.

  I just looked it up and it’s cited by four scholars, including Christopher Hansen who wrote an article in response to mythicism. The abstract sounds like it will be an interesting read:

  In recent years a number of scholars (such as Richard Carrier and Robert Price) have published arguments in favour of a new model of the origination of Christianity from a mythological Jesus. Part of their argumentation has been to make the case for the concept of a pre-Christian Jesus who was worshiped, or a part of Judaism before Christianity ever arose. This article seeks to provide a new analysis of this topic, since there has been almost no academic literature published in response to the pre-Christian Jesus thesis in several decades. This article largely concludes that the concept, while interesting, is not convincing and would require far more substantial evidence to be considered a better alternative to historicist conceptions of early Christianity's development.

  Hansen, C. M. (2022). Re-examining the Pre-Christian Jesus. Journal of Early Christian History, 12(2), 17-40
  
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  Did Jesus say the God of the OT is not the same God as mine??

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  bart erhman states, in this you tube short presumably taken from the video series he has been doing with megan lewis*, that jesus said the god of the ot, the god of jeremiah, is not the (same)god as jesus.

  bart continues "jeremiah's god killed (the children) - jesus said let the children come to me.

  jesus' god said turn the other cheek" - the ot god was war-like etc (paraphrasing bart here a bit).. it's always been the thing that stopped my fully embracing the bible after leaving watchtower.

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  The best book by Bart Ehrman is probably one of the least read: The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture. It’s in part what won him his reputation as a scholar. I don’t think his books since then have been as careful or comprehensive. I’ve read his book about Jesus as a millenarian prophet, his popular book on textual criticism “Misquoting Jesus”, Lost Christianities, his book refuting mythicism, and his book about how Jesus came to be viewed as God. They are of variable quality. The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture is worth reading.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  Croatian shopping malls too, for some reason.

  Charities that don’t give him publicity he thinks he deserves …
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  "How Long Would Jesus' Reign Be?"

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  simple enough question for a jw to answer, because the org has told them for over 100 years that, .

  a) jesus would reign for 1000 years, and.

  b) that his reign began in 1914 when he became king.

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  Yes I used to wonder this too, but as vienne says it’s not actually Watchtower teaching that the 1000 years began in 1914. The millennium is said to begin whenever Armageddon takes place and we enter the new system. This is a bit confusing because they say God’s kingdom began to rule in 1914. At the same time, remember that 1975 was anticipated to be the end of 6000 years since man’s creation, and the beginning of the millennium. When it didn’t happen in 1975 then it was pushed further into the future.

  The bottom line is that no matter how much time passes since 1914 it is still not eating into the 1000 reign, according to Watchtower teaching. So that’s one time related problem they don’t have to worry about.

  It does however become increasingly incredible to view 1914 - present as a “generation”, plus the devil was cast down following 1914 “knowing that he has a short period of time”. That “short period” is now well over 100 years and counting,
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  My impression is he’s a good guy too, although I find some of his titles and takes a bit cringe because they tend to overstate the case in the way that YouTube videos probably have to in order to get attention. Plus the videos are far too long. They need to get to the point. There’s another YouTuber I follow who summarises his main point at the start of the video in under a minute and then lets his audience decide whether they want to watch the whole 20 minutes or so. That’s an excellent approach and probably why he’s got millions of subscribers. 👍
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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

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  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  Journeyman you are entitled to your opinion that Scotland shouldn’t be independent. But if you are arguing that Scotland has no right to choose independence then I don’t think there is any basis for discussion here. Even the most extreme unionists at Holyrood or Westminster have argued against independence but have accepted that Scotland has the right to choose independence if it wishes. Because they have generally understood and recognised that the idea that the union is not voluntary is fatal to the concept of union.

  None of your whataboutery over the EU works. Scotland is under 10% of the population of UK. Whereas the UK was more than 10% of the population of the EU. If you are saying that England has control over Scotland in a way that Europe didn’t have control over Scotland then you are turning Scotland into a colony or a captive state.

  The closest analogy to Scotland leaving the union of course is Ireland leaving the union in 1921. Hardly anybody now argues that Ireland had no right to independence or that Westminster didn’t handle it atrociously. And where is the movement in the Republic of Ireland to rejoin the UK? There isn’t one. Or if there is it’s so tiny it doesn’t have any representation at any level of politics in the Republic of Ireland. Because Ireland is now more prosperous and outward looking than the UK. The idea that Scotland would be the first country in world history to “regret” independence is pure unionist fantasy. Countries such as Ireland that declare independence don’t look back.

  The union of the crowns took place in 1603 and the 2014 referendum didn’t propose to end that union. It was the voluntary political union of the Scottish state with the English state in 1707 that will be dissolved on independence.
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  "Independent" Scotland joke!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. social
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  humza yousaf, scotland's first minister, said: "scotland, i'm afraid, is suffering because we are not independent.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66012834.

  try telling that to scotland's tourists and many island communities: the ferry services are dying month by month, and the two new overdue & over-budget ferries justify a serious legal/criminal enquiry.. any bunch of incompetents who can't provide a small country with a ferry service and a legally binding contract to build 2 new boats - having controlled scotland since 2007 - has no credibility in claiming they could run a country!.

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  ITSupport great to “see” you. I hope you’re doing well!

  LoveUni I wonder were you in favour of France or Germany having a vote on whether the UK should be allowed to break up the European Union?
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  slimboyfat

  It was a classic. Would be fun if we could enter it for some sort of award, a fitting legacy you might say. ‘Shooting yourself in the foot video award’, or something.
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  Wimbledon's attitude to Russian/Belorussian players ...

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  ... is absolutely ridiculous.. last year, 2022, russian and belorussian tennis players were banned from wimbledon.

  let that just sink in.

  if you were a pro tennis player, and happened to be a russian or belorussian citizen, the all england club decided that you could not compete at their annual grass tournament.. let's explore that particular brand of discrimination and lunacy further.

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  It’s only fair after all - remember all the UK and US athletes who were banned from the 2004 Olympics following the illegal invasion of Iraq.

  And it’ll be good to see Putin in The Hague once the trials of Blair and Bush are wrapped up.
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  Did Jesus say the God of the OT is not the same God as mine??

  by Diogenesister in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  bart erhman states, in this you tube short presumably taken from the video series he has been doing with megan lewis*, that jesus said the god of the ot, the god of jeremiah, is not the (same)god as jesus.

  bart continues "jeremiah's god killed (the children) - jesus said let the children come to me.

  jesus' god said turn the other cheek" - the ot god was war-like etc (paraphrasing bart here a bit).. it's always been the thing that stopped my fully embracing the bible after leaving watchtower.

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  Matthew 22

  Marriage at the Resurrection

  23 That same day the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question.24 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses told us that if a man dies without having children, his brother must marry the widow and raise up offspring for him. 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first one married and died, and since he had no children, he left his wife to his brother. 26 The same thing happened to the second and third brother, right on down to the seventh. 27 Finally, the woman died. 28 Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?”

  29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”