The deleted videos have apparently been published on the ExJW Caleb channel. They are awful. But what is amazing is that Watchtower has recoiled from publishing them. Has the tide started to turn? Will they backtrack further on their shunning policies?
slimboyfat
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For those following the JW headquarters reaction to the UK documentary - Rebekah Vardy: Jehovah's Witnesses and Me
by jwleaks inin addition to the jws false and misleading denial that rebekah vardy was ever a jehovah's witness, a few other interesting developments occurred that are worth noting:.
1. an article in the last days newsletter reporting on how the jw[.
]org website scrubbed clean its jw 'news' page and produced an entire new glossary of jw terminally meaning for the media:.
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Do you agree with this?
by vienne innew post to the history blog: https://truthhistory.blogspot.com/2023/05/typical-nonsense.html.
i agree that in the russell and rutherford eras there was little actual scriptural refutation.
fine!
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slimboyfat
I agree a lot of the attacks on Russell and Rutherford focussed on personality rather than theology. Because I’ve been reading church history, it reminds me of how Athanasius attacked the character of Arius, even implying that his untimely and ignominious death (possibly involving sudden gastrointestinal symptoms) was a divine, or at least just punishment. It has also been suggested Arius might have been poisoned.
I have the impression that Russell was generally a kind person who got on well with others. Hundreds of people turned out for his funeral and were genuinely upset, including apparently his ex-wife—despite their acrimonious divorce—who laid a flower on his coffin. People who knew him well, and those who met him only briefly, alike seem to have been left with favourable impressions.
Rutherford on the other hand seems to have been disliked with good reason. Even his allies tend to talk about him in terms of respect rather than affection. I think it’s possible that his experience of prison, and subsequent ill health in later years, made him a harsher person than he would otherwise have been. But plenty of people suffer adversity and still manage to treat people kindly. If there is any truth to the claims that he all but abandoned his wife and had affairs then that’s a whole other level of nastiness.
About the footnote, it sounds like it was better to stick to the scholarship, unless the criminal behaviour was directly relevant, but it’s hard to know without the full details of the situation.
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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.
by LostintheFog1999 ini see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
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slimboyfat
John 17.25?
25Righteous Father! The world does not know you, but I know you, and these know that you sent me. (Good News Bible)
25 Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you, but I know you, and these have come to know that you sent me. (NWT)
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JW Dogma Analysis For Lurkers & Faders to Consider
by The Fall Guy inthis post is necessarily lengthy, but my hope is that these 14 examples of wtbts dogma will be examined closely by those who either have something to gain by doing so, or those who can provide "new light" for any of the topics.. "however, you may say in your heart: “how will we know that jehovah has not spoken the word?” when the prophet speaks in the name of jehovah and the word is not....true, then jehovah did not speak that word.
you should not fear him.
" [the prophet] (deuteronomy 18:21-22) .
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slimboyfat
I wonder how steve2 is doing?
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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slimboyfat
I love the way he treats himself as a Watchtower expert, rather than just another ringside commentator with a lousy opinion. Surrounded by his weird band of sycophants, he’s a legend in his own lunch break.
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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.
by LostintheFog1999 ini see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
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slimboyfat
God was already called father in the OT.
Mal 2.10 Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenantof our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?
Prov 30.4
Who has gone up to heaven and come down?
Whose hands have gathered up the wind?
Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is the name of his son?
Surely you know!I don’t think Jesus was telling people not to keep using God’s name. Even the name “Jesus” itself points to the continued importance of God’s name.
John 17.25 “Righteous Father, the world does not know you, but I know you, and these know that you have sent me. 26 I made your name known to them, and I will make it known, so that the love with which you have loved me may be in them and I in them.”
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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.
by LostintheFog1999 ini see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
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slimboyfat
He said: 'you must pray, then, this way - Our Father who art in heaven, etc'
Etc? I think the words you’re looking for are ‘hallowed be thy name’, but that doesn’t exactly fit your argument!
If you agree Jesus wouldn’t have followed a superstition to avoid the divine name then I don’t know what exactly we disagree about.
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S Club 7 star died of NATURAL causes.....
by BoogerMan in“a spokesperson from dorset coroner's office told the bbc that due to the nature of his death there would be no inquest.
no further details were given on cause of death by the coroner.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-65633872.
no "further" details were given?
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slimboyfat
If it was some kind of “misadventure” they perhaps don’t label it such anymore, after the whole Kristian Digby thing the media went to town. 😳
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened inoriginal reddit post (removed).
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It seems that LE purposely uses his wife to make appointments with people for LE to interview because he realises they are more likely to respond favourably to her, and that she is willing to play this sanitising role, unfortunately. I think he mentioned that this is currently her major role in in the business in his begging video. Clearly, for anyone getting a call or an email from his wife, the implied subtext is ‘everything’s fine here - I’ve forgiven him and so should you’. If they’ve heard about his livestream, that is. It’s good cover, and suits them both if it keeps the channel going and keeps the money coming in. Apart from the business advantage, LE probably gets a kick out of having his wife do this too.
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"Jehovah" In The New Testament.
by LostintheFog1999 ini see they have updated their list of translations or versions where some form of yhwh or jhvh appears in the new testament.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament-2/.
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slimboyfat
You really are indeed a funny guy with a real WTS ant colony mentality ΙΑΩ was not his original reading of the Septuagint, but in all probability that of a marginal heterodox Jewish sect. For mainstream Judaism associated with the Jerusalem temple cult and the Sanhedrin, the everyday "use" of YHWH was completely forbidden.
Is sarcasm part of your religious faith, or just an added benefit? 😜
Where did you get this information about Yaho not being widespread or the original rendering of the divine name in the LXX/OG? The pronunciation was widespread over a long period of time because it is attested in a variety of sources from different places over a period of centuries, from Roman historians to inscriptions, from Bible manuscripts to church fathers and onomastica.
Emanuel Tov is a senior scholar of the Hebrew Bible and the Septuagint.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanuel_Tov
He argues in favour of Yaho being the original rendering of the divine name in the LXX/OG, following the work of Skehan and Stegemann, as follows:
Therefore, according to Stegemann and Skehan, ΙΑΩ reflects the earliest attested stage in the history of the LXX translation, when the name of God was represented by its transliteration, just like any other personal name in the LXX.36 Skehan37 provided important early parallels for the use of ΙΑΩ and similar forms representing the Tetragrammaton: Diodorus of Sicily, Bibliotheca historica I,29,2 (1 BCE) records that Moses referred his laws to τὸν Ιαω ἐπικαλούμενον θεόν; likewise, in his commentary on Ps 2:2, Origen speaks about Ιαη (PG 12:1104) and Ιαω (GCS, Origenes 4:53); and two onomastica used ΙΑΩ as an explanation of Hebrew theophoric names.38 The later magical papyri likewise invoke ΙΑΩ. In a similar vein, Stegemann gives a long list of arguments in favor of the assumption of the priority of the transliteration.39 This transliteration reflects an unusual pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton such as known from the Elephantine papyri 40 יהו
However, there is no convincing evidence in favor of any one explanation, but it seems to me that the view of Skehan and Stegemann seems more plausible in light of the parallels provided. This argument serves as support for the view that ΙΑΩ in 4QpapLXXLevb reflects the OG form for יהוה This view is also maintained, in great detail, in recent studies by Shaw, who also mentions other scholars preferring ΙΑΩ, and by Vasileiadis.41
Tov, E. (2023). P. Vindob. G 39777 (Symmachus) and the Use of Divine Names in Greek Scripture Texts. In The Textual History of the Bible from the Dead Sea Scrolls to the Biblical Manuscripts of the Vienna Papyrus Collection (pp. 302-315). Brill.