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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  I watched the start of the video, the first ten minutes, and he keeps on saying he either won’t lie to JWs at the Kingdom Hall about who he is, or that he doesn’t want to lie about who he is. He can’t quite make up his mind whether he intends to lie or not, but he wants his audience to know that he really doesn’t like the idea of lying about who he is in any case.

  But isn’t this a bit odd. He has admitted to visiting sex workers behind his wife’s back every couple months. This must have involved dozens, or hundreds of lies, week in, week out, to his wife, their family, and probably others, for years, about where he was going, and what he was doing. Why does he care so much about lying to strangers on one occasion when he is practised at lying repeatedly to his closest family about something more important?

  Maybe that’s stating the obvious to the point of redundancy, but it just grates for a known liar to pretend as if lying is of any consequence to them. He can’t really mean any of it, I guess it’s all a performance for the channel.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  LE is skilled at distinguishing people who are useful to him from people who are not useful, discarding those who are not useful, and doing enough to keep useful people on board. So as long as Tibor is useful he will be pleasant enough to him. Plus on the other side Tibor has demonstrated he’s willing to put up with a lot.
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  JW words ph rases I don't recall seeing in the Bible

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was trying to think of some common jw words and phrases i don't think are in the bible .. new world order new system spiritual israel governing body channel of communication organization reporting time pioneer aux pioneer circuit overseer kingdom hall circuit assembly district convention....,maybe you can think of something to add if you are inclined..

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  Suggestments
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  Being embarrassed by a JW when you were a JW

  by punkofnice in

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  2. experiences

  i was out on the ministry(tm) in the 1980's when i was pie-on-earring.

  i was only a lowly publisher(tm) being coached by a rather odd elder(tm).. one of the publications(tm) had recently mentioned japan and the growth(tm) of jws there.. the elder(tm), brother(tm) i was with offered the magazines(tm) to the householder(tm).. then he stated, 'there are (gave the reported numbers at the time.

  i can't remember the number he stated), jehovah's witnesses(tm) in japan.'.

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  Embarrassed on the ministry when a young man at the door said he was dating a JW woman. The sister I was with got out her notebook and pen and asked the young man for the name and congregation of the sister so that she could report her to the elders for dating a non JW.

  Also embarrassed by the JWs who would insist on ostentatiously saying a group prayer before a meal in a restaurant.

  I was embarrassed for a sister in the meeting when she expressed delight about a local church that had burned down because it is part of “Babylon the Great”. It sounded way over the top to me, to the point that I wondered about whether she really meant what she was saying. She was someone who converted to become a JW in order to marry a JW brother she had met at the gym. I already suspected her conversion might be less than genuine, and her over the top comment about Babylon the Great burning down made me suspect that she was attempting to imitate a JW response to the situation and not expressing her actual opinion.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Thanks Nostromo, for the additional information.

  Even for Jehovah’s Witnesses, not explaining the reason for the removal of a member of the Governing Body smacks of controlling and secretive behaviour.
  

  I suppose they could argue that the reason for the removal of elders is not announced either. But Governing Body members are treated like fonts of wisdom because they constitute the faithful slave, not as any other elder. How can ordinary JWs be expected to devote such attention to Governing Body members on the one hand, and on the other hand be offered no explanation for the sudden removal of one of the members? Even the short announcement has now been removed from the website. I can imagine some JWs, who didn’t see the announcement, are now in the position of not really knowing whether to believe that he has been removed because there is no official mention of it. They may infer it is true that he has been removed by his absence on the GB page, but why are they leaving ordinary JWs in the position of having to draw that inference?
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  Museums the new way to make money?

  by raymond frantz in

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  the organisation is now creating museums in 35 countries, is that their new way of making money?

  nowhere does the bible say that christians should engage to such activity but is it possible the watchtower is now making it a priority for :.

  a. look like they have something to offer to the community.

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  Pity Ted Jaracz closed the history archive in Germany in 2008 and sent resident historian Johannes Wrobel packing.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Aha, thanks!

  It’s quite remarkable that GB members are clustered in the Service department.

  Of those still alive that’s: Stephen Lett, Samuel Herd, David Splane, Mark Sanderson, Gerrit Lösch, Gage Fleegle, and Anthony Morris III (recently removed)

  Of recent additions, Kenneth Cook and Jeffrey Winder are in the Writing and Personnel departments respectively, and Gage Fleegle in the Service department.

  Has there been a slight move away from the Service department since Jaracz died in 2010?
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  I’ve done a bit of research to discover which committees Governing Body members served in before and during their time on the Governing Body. So far as I can make out these are the details (some names appear twice because they served on more than one committee, but many apparently remained on one committee the whole time. Karl Klein specifically mentions being moved from the Service department to the Writing department, apparently an unusual move):

  Service Committee - Stephen Lett, Samuel Herd, David Splane, Mark Sanderson, Gage Fleegle, Gerrit Lösch, Martin Poetzinger, Carey Barber, Karl Klein, Theodore Jaracz, William Jackson, Thomas Sullivan

  Teaching Committee - Stephen Lett, Albert Schroeder, John Booth

  Personnel Committee - Guy Pierce, Jeffrey Winder, Daniel Sydlik, Charles Fekel

  Writing Department - David Splane, Kenneth Cook, Geoffrey Jackson, Jack Barr, Karl Klein, Lloyd Barry, Raymond Franz

  Publishing Committee - William Jackson

  Coordinators’ Committee - ?

  I didn’t find any who were clearly from the Coordinators’ committee, the committee that deals with legal challenges, disasters, and persecution. Maybe Mark Sanderson is on that?

  I didn’t find clear committees for the following GB members:

  Grant Suiter, Nathan Knorr, Lyman Swingle, Milton Henschel, John Groh, George Gangas, Leo Greenlees, Ewart Chitty, John Groh

  But from the incomplete information it does appear that the majority of GB members have been associated with the Service committee. I think there is plausible circumstantial evidence to suggest that Theodore Jaracz played a role in bringing Martin Poetzinger, Gerrit Lösch, Samuel Herd, Stephen Lett and David Splane onto the GB and into the Service department and that it was his power base.

  Incidentally, which department was Anthony Morris III in? I was assuming it was the Service department, but now I’m not sure.
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  Depiction of Governing Body on JW org

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a topic was started over at reddit directing people's attention to a depiction on jw.org of the governing body.

  it's not in their publication, only on the website under the topic of "what is the governing body?

  but who are these guys in the depiction?.

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  Yes that picture is a very odd combination of somewhat recognisable individuals alongside generic figures. I wonder what that means. Does the fact that Sanderson looks like he is easy to identify mean that he occupies a powerful role on the GB? Or are his features simply easier to caricature than the others?

  Another thing is they all look thinner than actual GB members.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  Assembling a few relevant facts, it might be possible to string together a narrative that the removal of AMIII is part of a move toward liberalisation on the part of the GB. Because Morris came from the service department when Jaracz was in charge, as did the majority GB members come through the service department, which has a reputation for being hardline. Yet the most recent GB appointments have not come from the service department. So perhaps there has been a revolt against the Jaracz endorsed hardliners who came up through the service department, exacerbated by the recent legal problems and by a growing awareness that Jaracz was a bad apple. Lösch was also handpicked by Jaracz and has been known to be a hardliner in the past, but he’s probably too old now to do much harm.

  Having said all that, I think Morris probably gave the other GB members a good excuse for kicking him out. I know a lot of people drink at bethel and it’s not often people are removed for drunkenness, but if Morris was an aggressive drunk, and if he turned up at congregation and GB meetings visibly intoxicated, then I can see that might have been good enough reason for the other GB members to remove him, perhaps after a couple of warnings.