Posts by slimboyfat

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

So can we agree there are grounds to think the letter is, at the very least, suspect?

How can we determine if letters in general are genuine in such situations?

And if we can't make a clear determination, doesn't it call into question ALL such letters?

I think it's a very stupid move, whoever would do this.

Yet the impulse to forgery has a long and tenacious history in all human affairs. Some people create forgeries for no greater reason than the satisfaction of pulling it off. They can be the most difficult to identify because they have no obvious agenda or motive.

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Did you leave the JW RECENTLY? Really? Recently? WTF were you thinking?

by The Real Edward Gentry in

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friends

not to be overly harsh...but if you just left, what the hell were you thinking?

between 1995 and now, you never did an internet search of "jehovahs-witness" or "watchtower"?

good god.

slimboyfat

I can sympathise with the question.

When I first got on the Internet in 1999 "Jehovah's witnesses" was the first thing I googled and I read absolutely everything I could find. At first I believed JWs had the truth and nothing I could read would contradict that.

I just assumed all JWs would do the same.

It's been a long strange process of realisation for me: that all (or most) of the JWs I knew, and who said they were interested in "the truth", and claimed to believe the facts were on their side... when it comes down to it, are either afraid or are not interested in challenging their beliefs.

Some of them seem to lack basic curiousoty about the belief system which has dominated their lives. I'll never understand that.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Darksilver I know it is available at avoidjw, as I mentioned in a couple of posts that this letter differs from the others archived there.

You suggest I should read about Nigerian English. Is that an oblique way of saying you believe the letter is genuine? Care to be more explicit, and give your reasons?

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If WT are cutting back on mags will they also cut back on Bethelites?

by truthseeker in

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friends

i was thinking after hearing about the agm cutbacks to the mags and other website content surely they will end up dismissing more bethelites?

i would have thought in the old days, before the web, an artist or writer at bethel would have been a full time job making content for four 32 page mags a month.

now what are these guys going to do?.

slimboyfat

Yes. Considering Knorr managed to run the entire WT publishing empire with around 5000 workers, whereas now there are still 19,000 (down from 26,000);I'd say yes, they have a long way to go with the personnel cuts.

How low can they go? With little or no literature to produce, down below 1000 worldwide, perhaps? Why not?

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Compare it to all the other letters:

http://avoidjw.org/en/publications/letters-2017/

The space below the date of the letter is smaller than any other letter.

http://avoidjw.org/en/publications/letters-2017/

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/letter.php?is=20171002LTE_bi.pdf

Plus it just doesn't look and sound right.

How can we tell a fake letter from a genuine one anyway? Any ideas?

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Again this is nothing to do with wifi's honesty. He may have been handed a fake unawares. He's yet to explain where it came from.

In any case, all the letters are all available on this page, including this Nigerian one.

http://avoidjw.org/en/publications/letters-2017/

But the Nigerian one stands out in lots of ways.

It doesn't leave a two line gap after the date as other letters do for example. Compare:

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/letter.php?is=20171001LTE_ng.pdf

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/letter.php?is=20170927LTC_bi.pdf

The old NWT renderings are a big give away too. Well spotted.

Where is the other fake that was recently posted, so we can compare?

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So there are only 12 magazines left!

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so hot on the heels of the announcement at the agm, we have been told that there are probably only 12 magazines left!.

yes, there will be only 3 wt each year, and 3 awakes.... and that they will do this for two years, then reprint those issues.... so yes, the "abundance of spiritual food" is limited to 12 more magazines..... surely, this is proof of the end coming so soon!?!

😉.

slimboyfat

As far as I'm concerned, the Watchtower and Awake! magazines, as I used to know them, ceased publication a number of years ago. I don't know what to call the bullet-point leaflets they have been handing out in recent years.

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Update on the $4000 day fine - Padron v Watchtower

by berrygerry in

from reddit:.

this was an oral argument to dismiss the $4000/day fine.

both sides presented their arguments and now the judges will write an opinion (30 to 90 days).

slimboyfat

Very interesting. How much do they owe now? Is it likely they will ever pay, I wonder. Or produce the documents. Or, presumably, both!

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Watchtower letters normally emphasise with bold not with bold italiics.

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/letter.php?is=20170918LTC_us.pdf

I think it's a very bad idea to fake a letter like this. How can we know what's real in future? How can historians and journalists document authentic developments of the organisation? Very troubling, actually.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Compare the Nigerian letter with this genuine (I presume) letter from Ghana which includes the closing c: circuit overseers, and code 9/27/17-E, plus clear instructions on who the letter is to be shared with. The Nigerian letter lacks these features, in addition to the odd language noted above.

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/letter.php?is=20170927LTC_gh.pdf

Plus, a small thing, but there's not enough space between the date and "TO ALL..." in the Nigerian letter.

Here is another genuine letter from Ghana to compare. Again notice the clear instructions on how the information is to be shared. Plus the format.

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/letter.php?is=20170920LTC_gh.pdf