Posts by slimboyfat

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Again this is nothing to do with wifi's honesty. He may have been handed a fake unawares. He's yet to explain where it came from.

In any case, all the letters are all available on this page, including this Nigerian one.

http://avoidjw.org/en/publications/letters-2017/

But the Nigerian one stands out in lots of ways.

It doesn't leave a two line gap after the date as other letters do for example. Compare:

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/letter.php?is=20171001LTE_ng.pdf

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/letter.php?is=20170927LTC_bi.pdf

The old NWT renderings are a big give away too. Well spotted.

Where is the other fake that was recently posted, so we can compare?

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So there are only 12 magazines left!

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so hot on the heels of the announcement at the agm, we have been told that there are probably only 12 magazines left!.

yes, there will be only 3 wt each year, and 3 awakes.... and that they will do this for two years, then reprint those issues.... so yes, the "abundance of spiritual food" is limited to 12 more magazines..... surely, this is proof of the end coming so soon!?!

😉.

slimboyfat

As far as I'm concerned, the Watchtower and Awake! magazines, as I used to know them, ceased publication a number of years ago. I don't know what to call the bullet-point leaflets they have been handing out in recent years.

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Update on the $4000 day fine - Padron v Watchtower

by berrygerry in

from reddit:.

this was an oral argument to dismiss the $4000/day fine.

both sides presented their arguments and now the judges will write an opinion (30 to 90 days).

slimboyfat

Very interesting. How much do they owe now? Is it likely they will ever pay, I wonder. Or produce the documents. Or, presumably, both!

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Watchtower letters normally emphasise with bold not with bold italiics.

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/letter.php?is=20170918LTC_us.pdf

I think it's a very bad idea to fake a letter like this. How can we know what's real in future? How can historians and journalists document authentic developments of the organisation? Very troubling, actually.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Compare the Nigerian letter with this genuine (I presume) letter from Ghana which includes the closing c: circuit overseers, and code 9/27/17-E, plus clear instructions on who the letter is to be shared with. The Nigerian letter lacks these features, in addition to the odd language noted above.

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/letter.php?is=20170927LTC_gh.pdf

Plus, a small thing, but there's not enough space between the date and "TO ALL..." in the Nigerian letter.

Here is another genuine letter from Ghana to compare. Again notice the clear instructions on how the information is to be shared. Plus the format.

https://jw.servehttp.com/en/letter.php?is=20170920LTC_gh.pdf

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

There was another letter on the forum recently that was fake. (Has anyone got a link to that?) The strange thing was it said nothing terribly outrageous either. I don't know what the motive was.

In this case the motive may be to slightly exaggerate Watchtower eagerness to ask for donations. But not exaggerate too much as to be unbelievable.

It did occur to me the style may be slightly different because it is from a local branch in Africa. But I think some of the layout and textual features are also inaccurate.

I think the letter is fake.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Fake letters have been presented on the forum before.

The issue is not whether wifi bandit is trustworthy. The issue is whether the letter is genuine. It's perfectly possible that a fake latter was sent to wifi bandit and he presented it in good faith.

I don't want to be rude but I think people who accept this letter as genuine display a lack of good judgment on this occasion.

More broadly, how can we determine if Watchtower documents are genuine these days? It's not an easy problem to resolve given new technology. Historians and journalists increasingly face these problems. The distinction between real and fake, reality and simulation will become increasingly blurred. Fake documents (and pictures and video) may pass for real, and real documents (and other media) may wrongly be dismissed as fake. It's a real(!) problem.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Plus the comment "we all put money aside for school fees" doesn't fit. Who is writing this? The governing body, or the local branch? In neither case do these individuals need to concern themselves with school fees. And as clumsy as they often are I don't think they would express themselves this way.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

I don't think this letter is genuine. Am I the only one?

Some the language sounds like someone mocking Watchtower speak rather than genuine Watchtower speak.

For example, I don't think it is typical for letters to direct elders to "convey the information". Letters are either read to the congregation or they are not. This seems uncharacteristically ambiguous. How is the information supposed to be conveyed?

Plus I don't think Watchtower commonly refers to comments by Paul as "a piece of advice". It's just odd language.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

I can't put my finder on it, but it reads a little off to me. Are we sure this is genuine?

It's going to get increasingly complicated to identify genuine documents and sources as technology makes forgery so much easier.

I'm not saying this letter is definitely not genuine. Possibly, or even probably, it is. But I think we've had fake letters posted on the forum before. And it can be extremely difficult to tell the diffidence.