Posts by slimboyfat

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

There was another letter on the forum recently that was fake. (Has anyone got a link to that?) The strange thing was it said nothing terribly outrageous either. I don't know what the motive was.

In this case the motive may be to slightly exaggerate Watchtower eagerness to ask for donations. But not exaggerate too much as to be unbelievable.

It did occur to me the style may be slightly different because it is from a local branch in Africa. But I think some of the layout and textual features are also inaccurate.

I think the letter is fake.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Fake letters have been presented on the forum before.

The issue is not whether wifi bandit is trustworthy. The issue is whether the letter is genuine. It's perfectly possible that a fake latter was sent to wifi bandit and he presented it in good faith.

I don't want to be rude but I think people who accept this letter as genuine display a lack of good judgment on this occasion.

More broadly, how can we determine if Watchtower documents are genuine these days? It's not an easy problem to resolve given new technology. Historians and journalists increasingly face these problems. The distinction between real and fake, reality and simulation will become increasingly blurred. Fake documents (and pictures and video) may pass for real, and real documents (and other media) may wrongly be dismissed as fake. It's a real(!) problem.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

Plus the comment "we all put money aside for school fees" doesn't fit. Who is writing this? The governing body, or the local branch? In neither case do these individuals need to concern themselves with school fees. And as clumsy as they often are I don't think they would express themselves this way.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

I don't think this letter is genuine. Am I the only one?

Some the language sounds like someone mocking Watchtower speak rather than genuine Watchtower speak.

For example, I don't think it is typical for letters to direct elders to "convey the information". Letters are either read to the congregation or they are not. This seems uncharacteristically ambiguous. How is the information supposed to be conveyed?

Plus I don't think Watchtower commonly refers to comments by Paul as "a piece of advice". It's just odd language.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

slimboyfat

I can't put my finder on it, but it reads a little off to me. Are we sure this is genuine?

It's going to get increasingly complicated to identify genuine documents and sources as technology makes forgery so much easier.

I'm not saying this letter is definitely not genuine. Possibly, or even probably, it is. But I think we've had fake letters posted on the forum before. And it can be extremely difficult to tell the diffidence.

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"Hello" from the other side...(of the door). Mormon parody of Adele

by stuckinarut2 in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jud2bdmd1wk.

slimboyfat

Actually I already saw it on the other threads. But I thought, at the third time of asking, it deserved the response I had formulated in my head, but was too lazy to post for the previous threads.

And my posts get delayed all the time too. I've been on restrictions since like forever. Even Watchtower would have reinstated me by now.

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Trivial stuff about the AGM

by sir82 in

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lots of good comments already about the content of saturday's agm broadcast.. i just thought i'd add my (trivial!

) comments about the magnificent 7:.

-- loesch - was he intentionally trying to be boring?

slimboyfat

I think Loesch doesn't seem to be enjoying himself at all. Maybe life at Brooklyn and on the GB was not all he imagined it to be. I tend to think most GB members are true believers. But of the current GB I'd vote Loesch the most likely to be thinking p, "what on Earth kind of nonsense did I get myself into here?"

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"Hello" from the other side...(of the door). Mormon parody of Adele

by stuckinarut2 in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jud2bdmd1wk.

slimboyfat

Ha ha very good. I'm going to show this to the missionaries next time I see them.

I think it fair to say that it's mildly pro-Mormon. Although I didn't know quite how to read it at first.

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How/when did you become a jehovas witness?

by Lewis1998 in

so i've been a protestant for most of my life, it's how i was raised, but recently i started questioning my faith more and more and now i feel like my beliefs resemble that of a jehovas witness rather than a protestant.

i don't know any jehovas witnesses, so i was just wondering how a lot of you found the religion and adapted to it?.

slimboyfat

I "made a stand for the truth" is the most economical way of describing it. Anyone else in that position?

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In memory of a lost doctrine - the vindication of Jehovah's name

by slimboyfat in

i start this thread in response to a comment by a jw apologist called simonsays on another thread.

he claimed to have read all three volumes of vindication by rutherford (my sympathy if true).

he further implied that it didn't matter that old jw literature said wrong and stupid things, saying:.

slimboyfat

Klein argued that Jehovah's name can't be "vindicated" because it has not been degraded. The new statement at the AGM is apparently a reversal of Klein's position which was published in the Watchtower from 1995 until (so it seems) 2017.

See the full history of the change here:

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/202451/increased-lightmindless-justification-removing-errors?size=10&page=1

It's hard to overstate how important the "vindication" doctrine was to JWs at one time. It was their central message, motivation and focus. For example, for most Christians the main reason for Jesus coming to Earth was to save mankind. But for JWs the main reason Jesus came to Earth was to vindicate Jehovah's name. Saving mankind was said to be second place to the more important goal of vindication.

I wonder if "vindication" will return to its former prominence.