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  2017 Memorial Partakers

  by NashvilleTele in

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  2. beliefs

  when does the number of memorial partakers get released for 2017. i was wondering if the number will surpass 20k.

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  slimboyfat

  It's things like this that really make me wonder what goes through the minds of JWs these days. How do they justify it to themselves? To my mind, at one time, JW beliefs were at least plausible. And if you wanted to find problems with JW doctrine, such as 607 BCE, you had to specifically go looking for them. At least the doctrinal system was in itself coherent, even if it lacked outside evidence or support.

  But with the overlapping generation, and increasing partakers, the inconsistencies are right out in the open.

  The typical JW reaction seems to be just to avoid talking about these issues. That doesn't seem normal. Most JWs must know something's not right. I just find it weird.
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  Does Morality Exist?

  by Fisherman in

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  2. beliefs

  some people believe that stealing, lying and killing, is not moral.

  some people don't.. does morality exist?

  if so, prove it..

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  slimboyfat

  I found this book helpful, for what it's worth.

  https://www.amazon.com/Postmodernism-101-Course-Curious-Christian/dp/158743153X/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

  It basically explains how faith can make sense in a postmodern world. In fact makes the best sense. This relates most directly to morality as God is the source of a definite morality. But during the explanation it does a good job of explaining social constructionism too. It's not polemical but has an assured confidence in its position.
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  Just woke up turn TV on to hear yet another nut case with a gun.

  by Still Totally ADD in

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  2. friends

  first they said 20 dead with 100 injured.

  now i just heard 50 dead and 200 injured.

  whatever it is it just another nut case who was able to get a high power gun to kill people.

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  slimboyfat

  It's nothing to do with the guns. It would have happened without the guns. Don't exploit the situation by talking about guns.

  And other such nonsense. Does it never get old?
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  BREAKING NEWS out of Canada

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jwvictims.org has another breaking news article out of canada: https://jwvictims.org/2017/10/02/breaking-news-66-million-class-action-suit-request-filed-against-jws-in-canada/.

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  slimboyfat

  If this was the UK, that sort of penalty would wipe out most of their available funds. On top of everything else putting pressure on finances, this must be a serious worry for Watchtower leaders.

  Maybe gathering all funds from local congregation into a centrally available pot (ripe for claims) was not such a bright idea. On the other hand maybe they saw it coming and it was the only way to keep the organisation afloat.
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  JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

  by Edison Trent in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

  they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

  they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

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  slimboyfat

  If true, I predicted this 9 years too early. ;-)

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/156897/next-big-announcement-all-circuirt-overseers-sacked?page=1&size=10
  
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  JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

  by Edison Trent in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

  they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

  they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

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  slimboyfat

  Isn't a major role of COs to keep elders in line, push them to meet organisational targets, and make sure funds are not being misappropriated.

  If COs are really abolished we might expect to see more renegade elders, cliques, infighting, nepotism, laziness, money going missing, less preaching, fewer pioneers, late paperwork, all that sort of thing.
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  Baptism statistics from CO

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just went to the assembly yesterday and during the final talk the circuit overseer said:.

  'sure, there are some adults baptised here and there, but do you want to know something wonderful?

  the vast majority of those getting baptized are teens and preteens!

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  slimboyfat

  Depends on the size of the country. In the UK I think it is doable to keep track of congregation numbers. For smaller European countries even more so. They could fudge the congregation numbers slightly. (Is it a peak or an average number anyway?) But in the long run, keeping track of congregation numbers will be the best way to measure JW decline because 1) we can count it independently 2) you can't fake the existence of a publicly listed congregation 3) it's directly comparable to other religious groups as few other measures are 4) it gives a measure, not just of number of adherents, but of commitment since it requires effort, volunteers and funds to maintain a congregation.
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  JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

  by Edison Trent in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

  they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

  they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

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  slimboyfat

  ...and the invisible circuit overseer meeting will be moved to a new time slot, around quarter last 7, or 1914 to be exact.
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  JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

  by Edison Trent in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

  they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

  they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

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  slimboyfat

  How confident are you in the information? This would be a huge development. Arguably the biggest of the cutbacks to date.
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  JW Rumor: End of the Traveling Overseer

  by Edison Trent in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a friend of mine has contacts to a family with several circuit overseers and special pioneers.

  they have good connections to bethel.. he told me that the latest rumor from bethel states that the cos should be abolished in their present form.

  they have also recently begun to take cos back to bethel.. over the same channel i have already heard of the car fleet program and that the dos should be abolished.. has anyone else already heard of it?

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  slimboyfat

  I think the OP meant to say that he heard about DOs being abolished from the same source ahead of time, so therefore it's credible. Just wishing to clarify.

  I don't know anything about the car scheme. I can't have been paying attention.