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  Why Is YHWH Used Regularly In OT and NEVER in NT?

  by minimus in

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  and if the name jehovah is that important why is it that jesus christ never use that name in a record of scriptures?.

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  slimboyfat

  There are no Christian copies of the Septuagint.

  What is codex Sainiticus then, and the many many other Christian copies of the LXX? This is so demonstrably false, maybe you mistyped or meant to say something else?

  Christians did not produce the LXX, and the earliest copies predate the first century CE.

  This is what I am saying. And none of those pre-Christian copies use KYRIOS. All of them use forms of the divine name.

  Papyrus Rylands 458 contains only verses from Deuteronomy, and contrary to your claim, it covers verses in which the Divine Name is supposed to occur, namely...
  Deuteronomy 28:17-19 and 27:15 and 28:2.

  I did not say the verses did not contain the divine name. I said there are lacunae in the manuscript where the divine name or a substitute would appear. You can see this in the picture posted above, or read it in comments from scholars such as Howard, Pietersma, Tov and others.

  Your claims that this is a product of the Christian era and covers no verse where the Divine Name should appear are quite incorrect.

  I have nowhere said PRylands 458 is Christian. It is from the second century BCE so it cannot be Christian.

  Please post any reference anywhere that says PRylands 458 has dots or spaces in place of the divine name.
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  Why Is YHWH Used Regularly In OT and NEVER in NT?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and if the name jehovah is that important why is it that jesus christ never use that name in a record of scriptures?.

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  slimboyfat

  I respect your experience and the fact you are Jewish. It doesn't alter the facts. PRylands 458 doesn't contain any instances of the divine name or its substitutes, on this the various experts, and the photographs agree. If you are correct there are dots in this manuscript where the divine name should occur (I have never seen this stated in relation to this manuscript) then it would significantly alter scholarship on the manuscript. Have you got any reference to back this up? All the scholars I have read agree the text is not extant in the places where the divine name or its substitutes would appear.

  Your claim that the LXX is a Christian work...

  I have not said this and I am at a loss where you get this idea.

  What I have said is that all the LXX fragments earlier than then second century CE use forms of the divine name. None of them use KYRIOS in this early period.
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  Why Is YHWH Used Regularly In OT and NEVER in NT?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and if the name jehovah is that important why is it that jesus christ never use that name in a record of scriptures?.

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  slimboyfat

  Actually Papyrus Rylans 458 has lacunae where either YHWH or KYRIOS would be found. The Wikipedia entry for this is clumsily written, if that is what you are relying upon:

  The manuscript has been used in discussions about the Tetragrammaton, although there are actually blank spaces in the places where some scholars such as C. H. Roberts believe that it contained letters.[3] According to Paul E. Kahle, the Tetragrammaton must have been written in the manuscript where these breaks or blank spaces appear.[4]

  The text is not extant in the places where the divine name would appear, so experts have divided over what would have originally stood there. Paul Kahle for example was confident that the Tetragrammaton was used in the text. In truth the text simply doesn't survive where it would need to in order to tell us one way or the other. See section 1 here that explains:

  http://digidownload.libero.it/domingo7/howard.pdf
  

  You can examine the whole thing to see that neither YHWH or KYRIOS is part of the preserved text:

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papyrus_Rylands_458#/media/File%3AP._Rylands_458.jpg
  

  The author of the Wikipedia entry apparently equates "blank spaces" with lacunae, which is confusing for people familiar with the later manuscript of Genesis (PBerlin 17213) that reportedly has blank spaces where the divine name should appear. (Although this is disputed by Emanuel Tov) This manuscript dates from the third century CE and represents a relatively late development in the treatment of the divine name.

  All the earliest extant copies of the LXX used either YHWH or IAW. Copies using substitutes do not appear until the second century CE. The fragments of the LXX from the first century and earlier use YHWH or IAW. There are no fragments from this early period that use KYRIOS. Or if there are could you point them out?
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  IBM CEO Sends Letter to President-elect Donald Trump

  by Heaven in

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  link to the letter.. has anyone ever heard or seen this happen before?

  for those of you who can't go to the site, here is the content: .

  ibm ceo ginni rometty's letter to the u.s. president-elect.

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  slimboyfat

  Too long.
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  Why Is YHWH Used Regularly In OT and NEVER in NT?

  by minimus in

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  and if the name jehovah is that important why is it that jesus christ never use that name in a record of scriptures?.

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  slimboyfat

  While it's true God had various names in the Hebrew Bible, the name YHWH has a distinct claim. As Philo says, it was the name of God written on the headband of the high priest. The fact that it became set apart as the unpronounceable name of God among Jews shows that it was considered unique.

  The earliest copies of the LXX used various forms of YHWH or the Greek transliteration IAW. (There are about 7 such examples) None of the Jewish fragments that survive show KYRIOS instead of the divine name. The earliest Christian copies using KYRIOS date no earlier than late second century AD. The fragment of Genesis that leaves spaces for either YHWH or KYRIOS is quite late, from the third century, and probably Christian. It is probably indicative of the transition from using YHWH to KYRIOS in Christian practice.
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  Watchtower's "New Light" re Babylonish Captivity, November 2016 WT

  by Room 215 in

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  has anyone noticed the wt's most recent shell-game revisionism in the november study tractazine, relating to the shifting of its "babylonish captivity" doctrine, from a 3 1/2-year period around the ww 1 years, to a period now spanning about 16 centuries, or from the 4th century (constantine's legal recognition of christianity) to 1919?.

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  The change makes sort of sense, if you take these things seriously. It's like the old dragnet teaching, before they changed that too. Nothing stays the same in JW land.
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  What age were you when you were counted as a publisher?

  by OrphanCrow in

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  the wts has always included minors and adults in the same categories - publisher and baptized.. i am interested in knowing how many minors, approximately, are included in the publisher count.

  and, at what age a person started publishing.

  what age was the youngest publisher reported?.

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  slimboyfat

  Publisher at 13, baptised at 15.
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  Do You Think Trump And His Whole Team Of Advisers Should Drop Acid?

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

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  i mean back in the 60's when lsd was legal they did experiments with the drug to find out it's problem solving ability and the results were amazing.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/psychedelics_in_problem-solving_experiment.

  psychedelic agents in creative problem-solving experiment was a study designed to evaluate whether the use of a psychedelic substance with supportive setting can lead to improvement of performance in solving professional problems.

  the altered performance was measured by subjective reports, questionnaires, the obtained solutions for the professional problems and psychometric data using the purdue creativity, the miller object visualization, and the witkins embedded figures tests.

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  slimboyfat

  Key question : was the research finding that acid helped problem solving itself conducted while the researchers were on acid?
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  Sam Harris on Trump - The Most Powerful Clown

  by cofty in

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  harris is at his incisive best in his latest podcast.. he likens the situation to being on an aeroplane where the pilot has died and somebody with no experience of flying has grabbed the controls.

  we should all be committed to his success.

  prize for the best line goes to - "caligula with a iphone".. even if you love trump and despise harris you should appreciate his clarity.. waking up with sam harris....

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  slimboyfat

  You won't like this comparison, but Sam Harris has a phrase that if you can't stand up to radical islamism and condemn it without 'but's, that's failing a moral litmus test.
  Supporting Donald Trump is IMO such a test. I can't understand why it is not black and white clear that a candidate who so openly says he WILL erode constitutional rights and institutions is not fit to be president, issues that are unaffected by whatever mean things the supporters of the other candidate might say.

  I agree rejecting Donald Trump should be a litmus test and Douglas Murray, Gad Saad and (sadly) Slavoj Zizek failed miserably. Trump is a man who suggested violence and imprisonment of his opponent, encouraged supporters to throw punches, intimidated reporters who said things he didn't like, and promoted war crimes involving killing civilians, among many, many other other things, each of which should have disqualified him instantly. It's hard to fathom how awful his election is. I would take some convincing that a good and proper thinking person would have any hesitation in rejecting him completely. Bye, bye Saad, Murray and Zizek.

  By the way I have no trouble condemning radical Islam without reservation if by radical Islam we have in mind people like ISIS, the Saudi regime, and extremists who plot terror across the world. Who really has reservations about that? Are there good examples Harris points to? The trouble with Harris is when he attempts to extend and smear Muslims in general and paint the whole religion as essentially evil.
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  Sam Harris on Trump - The Most Powerful Clown

  by cofty in

  1. social
  2. current

  harris is at his incisive best in his latest podcast.. he likens the situation to being on an aeroplane where the pilot has died and somebody with no experience of flying has grabbed the controls.

  we should all be committed to his success.

  prize for the best line goes to - "caligula with a iphone".. even if you love trump and despise harris you should appreciate his clarity.. waking up with sam harris....

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  slimboyfat

  On my side I just noticed Zizek said he would vote from Trump.

  https://youtu.be/b4vHSiotAFA
  

  Although he's backtracking a bit since. Even as he admits Trump is ("almost"?) proto-fascist.

  https://youtu.be/AyRMLwJ4KjU
  

  I'm done with that guy too. When the history of this period is written ( if there are people alive to write it) it should be noted where the "intellectuals" of our time stood.