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  Are the Elders harder on Women

  by Steel in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i was having a discussion with an old friend last night.

  her parents are divorced and his mother never became “one of jehovah witnesses “ .

  long story short she claims elders are generally hardier on women than men.

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  slimboyfat

  I think elders are harder on non-elders, and since women can never be elders if follows in general they're harder on women. Aren't there even rules in the elders book that says an elder should be removed for a sin that would merit DFing for a non-elder. There are double standards.

  To show it's not just a women thing, consider any long term non-appointed males or perpetual MS in the congregation. They were generally treated as pretty useless or with general suspicion if they were not "good enough" to be made up to an elder. If they landed in any trouble or dispute, their non-elder status was definitely held against them.
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  David Splane on the "older members" of the GB

  by Richard_I in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in the august broadcast, david splane is shown in a morning worship video.

  i just wanted to focus on the end of the video, were he has this to say:.

  the governing body loves to get together and discuss the bible.

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  slimboyfat

  Jaracz was authoritarian and unfriendly. Barr was a yes man and very friendly. From what I gather from comments of people who knew them. So Splane is appealing to two very different kinds of nostalgia here. The nostalgia for firm leadership (from Jaracz) on the one hand, and the nostalgia for old fashioned humble anointed brothers (like Barr) on the other. None of which is in evidence in the current GB.

  Plus I suspect it is no coincidence that there chages came after Jaracz died. It's easy to imagine him blocking cutting the book study or the magazines. The rumours that he held back change are probably well founded, the denials only tending to confirm the suspicion.
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  Recent mistakes of the Governing Body contributing to the decline of JWs

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  they have made so many strategical mistakes it's hard to keep track.

  some changes within the last decade or so that are contributing to declining numbers of jws:.

  1. elimination of book study groups, the most informal, enjoyable and sociable of the jw meetings, contributed to loss of sense of community among jws.. 2. policy of consolidating kingdom halls.

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  slimboyfat

  Yes very good point!

  They used to quote Russell all the time: "if the God of heaven who owns all the gold in the world ever has to beg for money to keep this magazine in print it will be a sign to give up publication". (Very rough paraphrase)

  It would be interesting to know when they last used that quote!
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  Recent mistakes of the Governing Body contributing to the decline of JWs

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  they have made so many strategical mistakes it's hard to keep track.

  some changes within the last decade or so that are contributing to declining numbers of jws:.

  1. elimination of book study groups, the most informal, enjoyable and sociable of the jw meetings, contributed to loss of sense of community among jws.. 2. policy of consolidating kingdom halls.

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  slimboyfat

  Actually JWs flourished at the height of modernity when reason reigned supreme. It's pluralism, relativism and postmodernism that are causing JWs and other exclusivist religions real problems.
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  David Splane on the "older members" of the GB

  by Richard_I in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in the august broadcast, david splane is shown in a morning worship video.

  i just wanted to focus on the end of the video, were he has this to say:.

  the governing body loves to get together and discuss the bible.

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  slimboyfat

  I think its funny to have to mention that the "Faithful Slave' liked to - you know - read the bible and discuss it and like it.
  Does he think that the R&F dont think they GB reads it?
  Like Mickey Mantle saying - you know I just like hitting playing baseball.

  
  

  He may have in mind Raymond Franz's book Crisis of Conscience which states that while he was on the Governing Body the Bible was rarely referred to during discussions, which focused heavily on technical aspects of policy and discipline in the congregations.
  
  
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  David Splane on the "older members" of the GB

  by Richard_I in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in the august broadcast, david splane is shown in a morning worship video.

  i just wanted to focus on the end of the video, were he has this to say:.

  the governing body loves to get together and discuss the bible.

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  slimboyfat

  I agree with your analysis. I was thinking something similar when I watched this. The fact he feels compelled to invoke the names of Barr and Jaracz to support current changes would appear to indicate discontent.

  Also the fact that he revisited the old "gas price" excuse for the abandonment of Book Study shows he knows people just aren't buying it.

  I would add that there's something odd, if taken at face value, about "anointed Christians" who believe they are being guided by God's spirit, worrying about whether proposed changes will "fit". It's as if they conceive of themselves as playing with some huge and complex jigsaw puzzle they don't quite understand, rather than being led by God,
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  They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  "they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.

  "all of our publications are open to everyone.

  we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".

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  slimboyfat

  Thanks. It's digitally annotated, cool!

  I remember seeing a PDF of one with pen annotation years ago. I wish I had saved it!
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  They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  "they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.

  "all of our publications are open to everyone.

  we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".

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  slimboyfat

  Thanks but I don't see any annotation at all on that link. Am I missing something?
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  They Don't Have A Secret Elder's Book

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  "they don't have a secret elder's book" so said my mother.

  "all of our publications are open to everyone.

  we all have the same information and nothing is hidden in this religion.".

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  slimboyfat

  Does anyone have links to PDFs of fully annotated versions of the elders book?

  Does anyone have a list of information contained in the elders book that is not found elsewhere?
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  Has anyone been shunned by a REAL sinner?

  by ToesUp in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just curious..... has anyone been shunned (just decided to leave the cult)?

  let me explain my situation:.

  a family member seems to be shunning me.

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  slimboyfat

  I've read stories on here over the years of people who were DFed by a committee that included elders who were having affairs while serving on the committee.