Posts by ringo5

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My response from the CCoJW inre UN/DPI

by AuldSoul in

ringo5

I hope you're re-reading your Feb 2004 Watchtower RIGHT NOW!

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PROGRAMED working out the dark side in art

by seven006 in

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i havent posted much lately becausewell just because.

in the past year i have tried .

to start my conversion from commercial art to fine art doing mostly nudes.

ringo5

I don't imagine Dave wanted this thread to be about him as opposed to his art, but this is about more than just art isn't it?

Put me down in the "I think Dave does give a shit" column.

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a very loyal and loving jw requested that i read the book jehovah's witnesses proclaimers of god's kingdom, sincerely confident that it will lay to rest all my objections and convince me this is indeed god's organization to which i must return right away.. ok, i will read it, but only because it's my mother that asked it of me, and she has tried so hard to be tolerant and understanding of where i am coming from as regards my firm stand in not returning.. i thought i would post my notes along the way in case they would be useful to someone else, and if anyone wants to add their own thoughts and notes i would be grateful.

chapter 1--why should jehovah have witnesses?.

since all references to such in the bible are pre-christian and refer to israelites being witnesses that their god, yhwh, is the god, the one god, the only god, and in a contractual relationship with them.

ringo5

Here's a good one about truth and obligation...

Accepting the Responsibility

What an honor it is to bear the name of the only true God, the Sovereign of the universe! But with that name goes responsibility. It is a responsibility that other religious groups do not want. As Brother Rutherford said in his discourse: “Happy are they that can take a name that nobody under the sun wants except those who are wholly and unreservedly devoted to Jehovah.” Yet, how fitting it is that Jehovah’s servants bear God’s personal name, that they make it known, and that it be prominently associated with the proclamation of his purpose!

Any group or individuals that speak in the name of Jehovah put themselves under obligation to convey his word truthfully. (Jer. 23:26-28

*** jv chap. 28 p. 632 Testing and Sifting From Within ***

In the lecture “Millions Now Living Will Never Die,” delivered by J. F. Rutherford on March 21, 1920, at the Hippodrome in New York City, attention was directed to the year 1925. On what basis was it thought to be significant? In a booklet published in that same year, 1920, it was pointed out that if 70 full Jubilees were calculated from what was understood to be the date when Israel entered the Promised Land (instead of starting after the last typical Jubilee before the Babylonian exile and then counting to the beginning of the Jubilee year at the end of the 50th cycle), this could point to the year 1925. On the basis of what was said there, many hoped that perhaps the remaining ones of the little flock would receive their heavenly reward by 1925. This year also was associated with expectations for resurrection of faithful pre-Christian servants of God with a view to their serving on earth as princely representatives of the heavenly Kingdom. If that really occurred, it would mean that mankind had entered an era in which death would cease to be master, and millions then living could have the hope of never dying off the earth. What a happy prospect! Though mistaken, they eagerly shared it with others

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SERVICE REPORT 2005 : WATCHTOWER FEB 1ST 2006

by BluesBrother in

i have had a quick look and found no references to this, so - here goes..as in the mag we picked up on sunday.. worldwide % increase over 2004 = 1.3%.

memorial partakers 8524 (compared to 8570 in 2004).

most european and nth american lands show pretty static figs - britain 1% increase, canada 0%, germany 0%, france 1%, usa 0%... but spare a thought for the inhabitants of zambia where 1 person in 90 is a reporting witness, must be hell going down to the local market!

ringo5

I'VE FINALLY FIGURED OUT THE SECRET TO ETERNAL LIFE...

PARTAKING OF MEMORIAL EMBLEMS CAUSES YOUR NORMAL AGING PROCESS TO SLOW DOWN TO A CRAWL! JUST ASK THOSE 8500 PARTAKERS!

LIFE WITHOUT END, AT LAST!

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December KM

by TheListener in

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somebody who has received their december km please post the publisher figures.

i would like to add them to my chart.

ringo5

An email I recieved from my JW broth-in-law indicates there was something in this KM about blood.

Does anyone know what that was?

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Grafitti from Pompeii--People never change

by IronGland in

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each inscription begins with a reference to where it was found (region.insula.door number).

the second number is the reference to the publication of the inscription in the corpus inscriptionum latinarum, volume 4.. i.2.20 (bar/brothel of innulus and papilio); 3932: weep, you girls.

my penis has given you up.

ringo5

VIII.2 (in the basilica); 1864: Samius to Cornelius: go hang yourself!

I think I saw this one at work!

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A little bit of news about the "Big News"

by AndersonsInfo in

i just learned about the release of the "big news" and was told that what i've been calling "big news" won't be released today or tomorrow but hopefully sometime this week.

if anyone is saying the 15th it is because we were told months ago that it would be mid-december when the big news would be released.

as soon as i know the day, you will know.

ringo5

Nothing wrong with a bit of anticipation unless it's "expectation delayed", we all know about that....

Personally, I don't see me doing anything with THE BIG NEWS(at least right away) as far as my family goes. Calling them up and saying " See!!!! I told you they were up to no good!!" would just make me look more like a frothing postate anyway.

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1 Timothy 2:6

by defd in

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i was wondering why the new world translation says corresponding ransom , where as others do not.

anyone know where i can go and get a translation from greek to english.. d.

ringo5

More contradiction....

When He made them were they perfect? When the Devil threw a monkey wrench in it, did Jehovah abandon His purpose? It is ALL in the first book of the bible. First 3 chapters.

a few posts later...

triple a and Jgnat I will give you the book where it says thaey were made (created ) perfect but not the verse. I dont want you to get LAZY! It is in Deuteronomy.

the master has taught him well....

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THE NEWS IS BIGGER THAN DATELINE, BBC, CBC, ETC.

by AndersonsInfo in

if i told you that something bigger is on the horizon than dateline, bbc, cbc, sunday (australia), and all other tv programs which exposed the sexual child abuse cover-up by watchtower in 2002-2003, would you believe me?

have i ever misled you?

i'll answer that--no!

ringo5

If this is about misinformation about blood, this has been around a long time. So I'm curious, but still doubt this will make much of a dent in the indoctrination of my family if it has anything to do with blood.

*** Watchtower 1961 September 15 pp.563-564 ***

PERSONALITY INFLUENCED

15 Those who are more inclined to rest their confidence in the learning of men than in the wisdom of God may feel that the care exercised in the selection of blood donors makes it possible to avoid all these dangers. But consider the facts. It will probably shock you to learn that the blood of dead people is being transfused into the bodies of hospital patients, but reports from Russia and Spain show that it is exactly what is done there; and even in the United States of America experiments have been conducted with transfusion of cadaver blood! Of course, that probably is not the practice in your community. But the magazine Time as of May 26, 1961, reports the case of a 49-year-old woman in the Pontiac General Hospital who was given two pints of blood from the cadaver of a 12-year-old boy who had drowned in a nearby lake and who had been dead from two and a half to three hours. Also, that as long ago as 1935 a doctor in a Chicago suburb had used a technique like that of the Russians, and that this American doctor accounted for about thirty-five cadaver-blood transfusions in two years. Perhaps the donor is one's own living relative, a reputable, clean-living individual. Does that assure safety? No; it will not remove the danger of a reaction due to incompatibility; nor does it guarantee that the individual may not be the carrier of some disease, perhaps even unknown to himself. In most cases, however, one who receives blood has no idea who the donor is. Some of it may come from healthy persons; some from alcoholics and degenerates. Criminals in jail are given the opportunity to donate their blood. For example, the New York Times of April 6, 1961, reported: "Inmates of Sing Sing Prison at Ossining will give blood to the Red Cross today." A commendable act? Perhaps not as beneficial to their fellow men as the community is led to believe.

16 When the Israelites were preparing to enter the Promised Land, Jehovah moved Moses to repeat to them his law forbidding the consumption of blood. As recorded at Deuteronomy 12:25, he said: "You must not eat it, in order that it may go well with you and your sons after you, because you will do what is right in Jehovah's eyes." An edition of the Pentateuch edited by J. H. Hertz has a footnote on that expression "that it may go well with you," which says: "Ibn Ezra suggests that the use of blood would have a demoralising effect upon the moral and physical nature, and pass on a hereditary taint to future generations." The point is an interesting one, and that it may apply in the matter of blood transfusions is testified to by medical doctors. For example, in his book Who Is Your Doctor and Why? Doctor Alonzo Jay Shadman says: "The blood in any person is in reality the person himself. It contains all the peculiarities of the individual from whence it comes. This includes hereditary taints, disease susceptibilities, poisons due to personal living, eating and drinking habits. . . . The poisons that produce the impulse to commit suicide, murder, or steal are in the blood." And Dr. Américo Valério, Brazilian doctor and surgeon for over forty years, agrees. "Moral insanity, sexual perversions, repression, inferiority complexes, petty crimes—these often follow in the wake of blood transfusion," he says. Yet it is acknowledged in the public press that organizations whose blood supply is considered reliable obtain blood for transfusion from criminals who are known to have such characteristics. Certainly no one who is trying to depart from the works of the flesh and use his life in the way that God directs through his Word is going to lay himself open to such a ruinous future.—Rom. 12:2; Eph. 4:22-24.

[Emphasis Added]

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No lawyers in 1st century congregation?

by ringo5 in

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where is the 1st century example of a legal department, that we can pattern this aspect of our worship after, today?

where's the "antitypical lawyer and insurance adjuster class" mentioned that justifies the huge wts legal dept.?

i mean, the gospel writers obviously didn't submit their writings to any legal dept.

ringo5

Where is the 1st century example of a legal department, that we can pattern this aspect of our worship after, today?

and

Where's the "antitypical lawyer and insurance adjuster class" mentioned that justifies the huge WTS legal dept.?

I mean, the gospel writers obviously didn't submit their writings to any legal dept. for any comprehensive review. For example "pick up your torture stake and follow me" is just crying out for a huge disclaimer.
i.e. YOU EXPRESSLY AGREE THAT FOLLOWING THIS ADVICE IS AT YOUR SOLE RISK, WE ASSUME NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY BACK INJURY OR DAMAGE AS A RESULT OF ANY ACTION TAKEN.

or "Therefore, if YOU, although being wicked, know how to give good gifts to YOUR children, how much more so will the Father in heaven give holy spirit to those asking him!”
**OFFER NOT VALID IN REALITY**

Actually this has got me thinking maybe lawyers are not all bad, but they should have been all over these bible writers a lot sooner way back when for breach of promise...