Posts by myelaine

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Apocryphal Books of the Bible

by nativenyr23 in

was watching a history channel program last night (yeah, i'm a history channel geek!

) and was introduced for the first time in my life to the apocryphal books of the bible?!?!?!?!?

omg....fascinating.

you said: "The man MARCION is really the first successful promulgator of a "canon" of scripture. His Gnostic views almost swamped the early church with popularity. He was branded a heretic, naturally. The bible canon as we now know it was a REACTION to Marcion's canon."...

consider the reasons behind the church's effort to cannonize certain writings over others?...the churches mission was to promulgate the gospel of salvation...that was a direct command from Jesus Christ. Gnostic writings took the focus off of that truth by encouraging individual mysticism. This caused division among the church...it was a form of natural seperation which paul says is actually needed in the body of Christ so that the truth would be manifest. romans 16:17-18.

we see the same thing now happening in the church...with the focus not so much on the saving gospel but on individual interpretations of what the gospel "really" meant. (the emergant church etc.) the focus has switched from evangilization to a type of mysticism...again. Where are the shepherds?...look around the focus is on the hirelings who feed their own bellys. Jesus said if you REALLY love Him you would feed His sheep.

when leaders enter into dialogue about their own personal "Jesus" then the truth is lost and a kind of "cosmic christ" is brought to the fore..."here is the Christ, no, here is the Christ...

love michelle

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All Things Fulffilled In The1st Century

by maccauk11 in

all things were fulfilled in the 1st century.it was obvious the messiah was talking to the people in that generation not a generation 2000 years later.. christianity has for 2000 years placed itself in the shoes of those 1st century beleivers and think all things pertainott hem today.when infact none of it does.

the prohecise of the messiah cmae true in the 1st century including revelation which is symbolic, metaphorical apocolyptic language showing all tha thad been done .

the kingdom is here.the king rules and has done for 2000 years.

myelaine

dear cassuk11...

the text at Matthew 16:27-28 says "there are some standing here"... certainly John the revelator lived to see what he wrote...Jesus coming in His glory. Revelation 1:1, 7, 10, 19. These things we're written to show His servants...the letter was circulated, they would "see" Jesus coming.

Jesus said that the kingdom is in your midst. When He was here He was the physical representation of the kingdom. Now the born-again believer is a representative of the kingdom...the in dwelling Holy Spirit being the acting "government"(Isaiah 9:6-7)

I'm not sure what you mean when you say that God is finished dealing with man in the flesh...He's still dealing with me. Though scripture says He will not contend with man FOREVER...

love michelle

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Why Do You Come To This Site?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i believe that this site, jwn, serves many purposes.

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some are here almost, out of need.. others are here because they want to know the latest in watchtower world.. still others come here for the entertainment.. why do you frequent this place?

myelaine

Divine Providence

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BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.....let's rebuild!

by Terry in

okay we've all beat our chest, lamented and throttled the dead horse of aawa.. time to move on!.

i suggest those of us on j-w.n who care about creating something the right way take the trouble to get the framework going.. let's do the grunt work and get the nattering, debates, naming and organizing already pre-approved so that "others" who have the talent, ability, motivation and resources can move in and turn the key!.

because it was not done before.. there is more wisdom on this discussion board in our vast numbers than there could possibly be in a virtual boardroom with 8 people brain-storming.. that isn't an insult--it is just a statistical fact!.

myelaine

dear Moses...

...for as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be...for wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqOxyqGiLeE

love michelle

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All Things Fulffilled In The1st Century

by maccauk11 in

all things were fulfilled in the 1st century.it was obvious the messiah was talking to the people in that generation not a generation 2000 years later.. christianity has for 2000 years placed itself in the shoes of those 1st century beleivers and think all things pertainott hem today.when infact none of it does.

the prohecise of the messiah cmae true in the 1st century including revelation which is symbolic, metaphorical apocolyptic language showing all tha thad been done .

the kingdom is here.the king rules and has done for 2000 years.

myelaine

dear cassuk11...

you said, in part, "So all things must have been fulfilled in the 1st cnetury. There are no types of dual fulfillments to come"...

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matthew 24:6 nations shall rise against nation...all these things must come to pass but the end is not yet.

acts 1:6 'Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, "Lord will You at this time restore the kingdom to israel?"'

acts 1:7 and He said to them, "It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority...but you shall be witnesses to Me...to the end of the earth."

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(joshua 6 :3 march around the city 6 days...)

(joshua 6:4 seven priest, seven trumpets, seven times and then the priest shall blow the trumpets)

--------------------the seventh seal----------------

(joshua 6:10 do not shout or make any noise until the day I say "shout")

(joshua 6:15 behold it came to pass on the seventh day...)

revelation 8:1 and there was silence in heaven...

--------------------the seventh trumpet------------

(joshua 6:16 shout for the LORD has given you the city...)

(joshua 6:17 now the city shall be doomed by the LORD to destruction)

revelation 11:15 the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ and He shall reign forever and ever!...

revelation 11:17-18 We give you thanks, O Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was and who is to come, because You have taken Your great power and reigned. The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come...

love michelle

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All Things Fulffilled In The1st Century

by maccauk11 in

all things were fulfilled in the 1st century.it was obvious the messiah was talking to the people in that generation not a generation 2000 years later.. christianity has for 2000 years placed itself in the shoes of those 1st century beleivers and think all things pertainott hem today.when infact none of it does.

the prohecise of the messiah cmae true in the 1st century including revelation which is symbolic, metaphorical apocolyptic language showing all tha thad been done .

the kingdom is here.the king rules and has done for 2000 years.

myelaine

The burden against Damascus.

Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city, and it will be a ruinous heap. Isaiah 17:1

(Damascus is the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world)

love michelle

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How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

by mP in

theres a clear difference between prophecies (predictions of future events) and laws(stuff you should and shouldnt do).. now since xians always says jesus fullfilled the law, how does one fullfill a bunch of requirements like dont murder, dont worship idols, shave your beard like this etc.. there are 613 laws in the torah, jewish rabbis have done all the hard work and we have a nice list on wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot.

im confused which of those some how select a unique individual to be the unique messiah ?

then again there were many messiahs, every king and priest of israel and judea was a messiah.

myelaine

dear mP...

yes, Jesus came to the jews first but the majority did not accept Him. Then He sent out those jewish servants of His into the highways and byways to gather others (gentiles) to the feast. john 1:11-13; matthew 22:1-10

luke and mark were trusted to record the gospel (according to acts 12:12-14 marks mother's home was a place that peter went often as her servant rhoda recognised his voice!!) THIS assumes a very close association. the fact that the disciples that walked with Jesus trusted luke and mark to write their testimony and paul trusted luke in his missonary journey and then also called for mark, would lead many to believe that these two, far from hearing and believing a different gospel, would collaborate with paul's testimony as a means to further outreach. They ALL shared in the same ministry.

love michelle

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How exactly did Jesus fulfill the law NOT the prophecies.

by mP in

theres a clear difference between prophecies (predictions of future events) and laws(stuff you should and shouldnt do).. now since xians always says jesus fullfilled the law, how does one fullfill a bunch of requirements like dont murder, dont worship idols, shave your beard like this etc.. there are 613 laws in the torah, jewish rabbis have done all the hard work and we have a nice list on wiki.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_mitzvot.

im confused which of those some how select a unique individual to be the unique messiah ?

then again there were many messiahs, every king and priest of israel and judea was a messiah.

myelaine

dear mP...

you said: "Well given the OT clearly states that Jehovah is the god of the jews and that the jews are his special people, followed by Jesus own words that he only came for the jews its pretty obvious that he was only focused on that commnity. The entire exercise was isolated to that part of the world. God has no care or interest in the lands and peoples outside that boundary"...

matthew 22:1-10...

"And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.”’ But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’ So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests"

are you saying that paul had NO knowledge of the ministry of the other apostles when you say this: "Its quite evident from that passage that Paul knows nothing of the other 12, the earthly minsitry, miracles, where Jesus died and so on."...

2 timothy 4:11...

"Only Luke is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, for he is useful to me for ministry."

love michelle

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Satan & the Garden of Eden

by love2Bworldly in

hi-- i was forced to listen to a jw witnessing on a mass transit bus the other day.

she said something that sparked my attention.

i read almost the whole bible cover to cover when i was a jehovahs witless.. she stated that satan was in charge of the garden of eve as an assignment from god to watch over adam & eve but he became too full of himself.. how in the world do the jws explain this teaching of satan being in charge over the garden?

myelaine

dear mP...

you said to Lars, "After all if this is Bible teaching then it shouldnt be hard to find scrptures."...

here's one for you: revelation 12:15

love michelle

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Satan & the Garden of Eden

by love2Bworldly in

hi-- i was forced to listen to a jw witnessing on a mass transit bus the other day.

she said something that sparked my attention.

i read almost the whole bible cover to cover when i was a jehovahs witless.. she stated that satan was in charge of the garden of eve as an assignment from god to watch over adam & eve but he became too full of himself.. how in the world do the jws explain this teaching of satan being in charge over the garden?

myelaine

dear mP...

the serpent is not representitive of messengers of God as you have stated but have been representitive of wisdom. For instance...the depiction of the serpent in the garden of Eden as "more cunning than any beast of the field" is drawn from what was commonly accepted in Egypt...the serpent was symbolic of wisdom.(that is why the serpent referenced "knowledge" to be like God) The pharoah had a headpiece that placed a serpent right in the middle of his forehead to symbolize his wisdom in ruling over the people.

in the book of revelation there is depicted a great war between the "forces" of God and the "forces" of satan...it reaches its finale when the wisdom of satan and "his" angels are cast down and there is no place found in heaven for "him"(rev 12:8-9)...the serpents offer of "wisdom" of good and evil is shown to be ultimately inferior to the life giving wisdom of the knowledge of God.

we are told to be as wise as serpents but as innocent as doves (matt 10:16)...in revelation it is the wisdom of God that leads to knowledge of who is behind the scenes in deceiving the world with his "wisdom" (rev 13:16,18) ...(the wisdom of God in the knowledge of Jesus Christ as the ONLY way of salvation has little VALUE in todays economy, so to speak). in matthew 11:18-19 Jesus is comparing those who rejected JtB and his message about the Messiah(john 1:6-13) to those who rejected the wisdom from God...the children who didn't reject the wisdom of God in Jesus Christ are NOT those portrayed in verse 17 still waiting for the Messiah to appear from among them. proverbs 9:1-6, 10.

there is a contrast between the wisdom of God and the wisdom afforded satan throughout the bible. The wisdom of God gives life, the wisdom of the serpent brings death. It is shown in the bible that this is the way it has always been since the beginning. God works in mysterious and wise ways to draw men to Himself: John 3:14-15...

love michelle