Posts by bob1999

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Your comments on this Memorial Bible reference (1 Cor. 11:26)

by OnTheWayOut in

(1 corinthians 11:26) for as often as you eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the lord, until he arrives.. here's mine.

i was told that i have an earthly hope.

i won't eat from the loaf or drink from the cup, so i won't.

bob1999

"In any case, there is no mention of two classes of Christians. "

There is no mention of two classes of Christians anywhere in the Bible.

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Jethro Tull - Your Favorite Songs and Albums from this Group ?

by flipper in

jw
friends

growing up, jethro tull was one of my favorite groups as they had a great mix of rock , celtic mix , and great guitar from martin barre and ian anderson on flute was arguably one of the greatest flute players in rock n' roll .

as an interesting side note : my wifes 15 minutes claim to fame was when her ex-husband and her in the 1980's sold fish to markets , her ex-husband called ian anderson on the phone to see how he did salmon farming and talk about the fish business.

weird, huh?

bob1999

"Wind up" from Aqualung.

When I was young and they packed me off to school
And taught me how not to play the game,
I didn't mind if they groomed me for success,
Or if they said that I was a fool.

So I left there in the morning
With their God tucked underneath my arm --
Their half-assed smiles and the book of rules.

So I asked this God a question
And by way of firm reply,
He said -- I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.

So to my old headmaster (and to anyone who cares):
Before I'm through I'd like to say my prayers --
I don't believe you:
You had the whole damn thing all wrong --
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.

Well you can excomunicate me on my way to Sunday school
And have all the bishops harmonize these lines --

How do you dare tell me that I'm my Father's son
When that was just an accident of Birth.
I'd rather look around me -- compose a better song
`cos that's the honest measure of my worth.

In your pomp and all your glory you're a poorer man than me,
As you lick the boots of death born out of fear.

I don't believe you:
You had the whole damn thing all wrong --
He's not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.

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"This Generation" of 1914, ended in 1995. When did teaching begin?

by Fatfreek in

as far as i can tell with google searches, it began sometime in the '60s.

can someone confirm this?

is that also when awake, page 4, began its classic statement, "... before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.

bob1999

"The thirty-six intervening years since 1914, instead of postponing Armageddon, have only made it nearer than most people think. Do not forget: 'This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.' (Matt. 24:34)" (Watchtower, 1 November 1950, p. 419).

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"This Generation" of 1914, ended in 1995. When did teaching begin?

by Fatfreek in

as far as i can tell with google searches, it began sometime in the '60s.

can someone confirm this?

is that also when awake, page 4, began its classic statement, "... before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.

bob1999

"We know Armageddon is near for another reason. Jesus said that the generation of people living when the `time of the end' began would not pass away before Armageddon breaks out. When did Jesus say this? When he told us about the many parts of the sign of the `time of the end.' That sign is made up of different happenings. All these happenings must come upon one generation to make up the sign. Since 1914 they have come. What does this mean? Jesus answers: `When you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors. Truly 1 say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' (Matthew 24: 33, 34) Many are the people alive since 1914 who will still be living when it is time for Armageddon to begin." ("From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained ," Watchtower Bible & Tract Society: Brooklyn NY, 1958, p.205).

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"This Generation" of 1914, ended in 1995. When did teaching begin?

by Fatfreek in

as far as i can tell with google searches, it began sometime in the '60s.

can someone confirm this?

is that also when awake, page 4, began its classic statement, "... before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away.

bob1999

I think it was 1943 but I haven't found it yet.

But here's this...

"Because there is a great crowd of people of good will today living who will survive the world catastrophe of Armageddon and enter the world of new heavens and new earth without going down into the grave or ever afterward having the need to die and cease to exist. That means that Armageddon is so near at hand it will strike the generation now living." ("You May Survive Armageddon into God's New World," Watchtower Bible & Tract Society: Brooklyn NY, 1955, p.11).

and

"We know Armageddon is near for another reason. Jesus said that the generation of people living when the `time of the end' began would not pass away before Armageddon breaks out. When did Jesus say this? When he told us about the many parts of the sign of the `time of the end.' That sign is made up of different happenings. All these happenings must come upon one generation to make up the sign. Since 1914 they have come. What does this mean? Jesus answers: `When you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors. Truly 1 say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' (Matthew 24: 33, 34) Many are the people alive since 1914 who will still be living when it is time for Armageddon to begin." ("From Paradise Lost to Paradise Regained ," Watchtower Bible & Tract Society: Brooklyn NY,

I'm still looking for the 1943 quote.

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FUNNY PHONE CALLS TO KHS AND BETHEL

by badboy in

know of any cases?

bob1999

I'd like to call and see what they have to say about the WTS teaching for decades that "the generation that saw the events of 1914 will not pass away...." and then in 1995 saying that the generation is the modern day equivalent of un-repentant Israel. But now, in 2008, the generation is the FDS (just like it was in 1927).

So how can anyone believe that the WTS is God's only mouth piece? Would the one and only "true" religion have to keep changing their teachings?

Do you think I would get an answer? I mean a real answer?

I think I would get a BS answer, they're good at that.

What's the phone number?

Thanks.

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Generation ?

by Free in

ok, i haven't been here for a while, so is there a change again in the generation ?

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please, only explain if you are certain of how it is now perceived.

bob1999

"What will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?"

This is how Matt 24:3 is quoted at the beginning of the article (in the header). They start in the middle of the sentence but make it look like they start at the beginning of the sentence. Capitalizing the word "what".

THAT'S NOT RIGHT! Even a worldly journalist would not do that.

The WTS are crooks and liars.

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Generation ?

by Free in

ok, i haven't been here for a while, so is there a change again in the generation ?

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please, only explain if you are certain of how it is now perceived.

bob1999

Previously, this journal has explained that in the first century, "this generation" mentioned at Matthew 24:34 meant "the contemporaneous generation of unbelieving Jews."* That explanation seemed reasonable because all other recorded uses that Jesus made of the term "generation" had a negative connotation, and in most cases, Jesus used a negative adjective, such as "wicked," to describe the generation. (Matt. 12:39; 17: 17; Mark 8:38) Thus, it was felt that in the modern-day fulfillment, Jesus was referring to the wicked "generation" of unbelievers who would see both the features that would characterize "the conclusion of the system of things" (syn-te'lei-a) and the system's end (te'/os).

11 It is true that when Jesus used the word "generation" negatively, he was speaking to or about the wicked people of his day. But was that necessarily true of his statement recorded at Matthew 24:34? Recall that four of Jesus' disciples had approached him "privately." (Matt. 24:3) Since Jesus did not use negative qualifiers when speaking to them about "this generation," the apostles would no doubt have understood that they and their fellow disciples were to be part of the "generation" that would not pass away "until all these things [would] occur."

12 On what basis may we draw that conclusion? By carefully considering the context. As
recorded at Matthew 24:32, 33, Jesus said: "Now learn from the fig tree as an illustration this point: Just as soon as its young branch grows tender and it puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. Likewise also you, when you see all these things, know that he is near at the doors." (Compare Mark 13:28-30; Luke 21:30-32.) Then, at Matthew 24:34, we read: "Truly 1 say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur."

13 Jesus said that it was his disciples, soon to be anointed with holy spirit, who should be able to draw certain conclusions when they saw "all these things" occur. So Jesus must have been referring to his disciples when he made the statement: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur."

14 "Unlike unbelievers, Jesus' disciples would not only see the sign but also understand its significance. They would "learn" from the features of that sign and "know" their true meaning. They would fully appreciate that "he is near at the doors." While it is true that both unbelieving Jews and faithful anointed Christians saw a limited fulfillment of Jesus' words in the first century, only his anointed followers back then could learn from these events—could understand the true meaning of what they saw.

15 Those without spiritual understanding today have felt that there has been no "striking observableness" with regard to the sign of Jesus' presence. They reason that everything is continuing on as it did in the past. (2 Pet. 3:4) On the other hand, Christ's faithful anointed brothers, the modern-day John class, have recognized this sign as if it were a flash of lightning and have understood its true meaning. As a class, these anointed ones make up the modern-day "generation" of contemporaries that will not pass away "until all these things occur."* This suggests that some who are Christ's anointed brothers will still be alive on earth when the foretold great tribulation begins.

Feb.15 2008 Watchtower page 23-24

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Generation ?

by Free in

ok, i haven't been here for a while, so is there a change again in the generation ?

.

please, only explain if you are certain of how it is now perceived.

bob1999

I believe that can be found in the Feb. 15 2008 Watchtower.

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Generation ?

by Free in

ok, i haven't been here for a while, so is there a change again in the generation ?

.

please, only explain if you are certain of how it is now perceived.

bob1999

The "remnant" (144000) is now the "generation" that "will not pass away".