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  Issue Number 2.... Incorrect Predictions.

  by hotchocolate in

  1. watchtower
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  okay, just to re-introduce myself, i was raised in the truth, regular pioneered for years, and am a member in good standing with my congregation.

  i have just recently been shocked to realise that i actually have some doubts about the truth.

  it helps for me to focus on one point at a time, and to write down my thoughts in a logical sequence.

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  bob1999

  From the Awake March 22 1993 page 4
  
  "Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say, ‘These are the words of Jehovah.’ The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said: “We have not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425) “Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.” (December 15, 1896, page 306) The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah’s spirit “does not mean those now serving as Jehovah’s witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes.” (May 15, 1947, page 157) “The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic.” (August 15, 1950, page 263) “The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. (2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. (Prov. 4:18)”—February 15, 1981, page 19."
  
  So they say they are not false prophets because they do not make their predictions "in the name of Jehovah"
  
  But right there, not two inches away, at the bottom of that same page, in that same Awake magazine, they make a prediction in the name of Jehovah.
  
  "Why Awake! is published.
  
  Awake is for the enlightenment..............Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 pass away."
  
  Printing the above is prophesying in the name of Jehovah. (obviously false) How could anyone argue that it's not?
  
  I find it funny (weird) that the WTS would make a false prophesy, on the same page, where they deny being false prophets.
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  Issue Number 2.... Incorrect Predictions.

  by hotchocolate in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  okay, just to re-introduce myself, i was raised in the truth, regular pioneered for years, and am a member in good standing with my congregation.

  i have just recently been shocked to realise that i actually have some doubts about the truth.

  it helps for me to focus on one point at a time, and to write down my thoughts in a logical sequence.

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  bob1999

  Jehovah’s Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus’ second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.’ Never did they say, ‘These are the words of Jehovah.’ The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah’s Witnesses, has said: “We have not the gift of prophecy.” (January 1883, page 425) “Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible.” (December 15, 1896, page 306) The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah’s spirit “does not mean those now serving as Jehovah’s witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes.” (May 15, 1947, page 157) “The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic.” (August 15, 1950, page 263) “The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. (2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. (Prov. 4:18)”—February 15, 1981, page 19.
  
  And right there, not two inches away;
  
  Why Awake is published.
  
  Awake is for the enlightenment..............Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 pass away.
  
  Is this statement (false prophecy in the name of God) really at the bottom of page 4?
  
  Thanks
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  Do you believe that the majority of JW's will be saved?

  by JH in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if there is a god, do you think that the majority of jw's will be saved at armageddon?.

  i'm not asking if they have the only true religion, i'm asking if you think they would be saved along with others who do god's will sufficiently to satisfy him.....

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  bob1999

  Not according to the bible.
  
  They are not Christians. Only the 144000 are Christians. According to the WTS, only the 144000 are part of the new covenant. But the bible says we need to be part of the new covenant to be saved.
  
  The only way, according to the bible, to be part of the new covenant is for Christ to be your mediator but the WTS teaches that Christ is only the mediator for the 144000.
  
  Peace
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  gospel preached in all the world...and then the end shall come

  by tula in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just thought you all might be interested in some information on the "last uncivilized tribes" .

  there is also a short film here you might find interesting:.

  watch the film uncontacted tribes .

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  bob1999

  "The age that was to end, the age that the disciples were asking about, was the Jewish (or Mosaic) age. NOT THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!
  
  I never said anything about the "end of the world". Those are your words.
  
  What is going to end is the roots of Babylon which are still entwined in our way of life all over the world.
  
  That is what is going to eventually come to an end."
  
  That is true but not what Jesus was "giving the signs for" in Matthew, Mark and Luke.
  
  He was answering the question ask of Him. About the end of the "age". Not the end of Babylon.
  
  Peace.
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  gospel preached in all the world...and then the end shall come

  by tula in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  just thought you all might be interested in some information on the "last uncivilized tribes" .

  there is also a short film here you might find interesting:.

  watch the film uncontacted tribes .

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  bob1999

  "Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
  
  And that happened. The end of the age (Matthew 24:3) came in AD 70.
  
  You should ask yourself what "age" Peter and James and John and Andrew (Mark 13:3)were asking about? What age was it when the question was ask?
  
  The temple was still standing, the law age was still continuing. But not for long.
  
  Hebrews 8:13 "In speaking of a new covenant he treats the first as obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."
  
  Hebrews was written after Jesus spoke to His disciples there on the Mount of Olives, (Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, but before the temple was "thrown down" in AD 70.
  
  Notice that in Hebrews the old covenant is "becoming" obsolete, in other words not obsolete quite yet. The old covenant is "ready" to vanish away, in other words not gone yet.
  
  The age that was to end, the age that the disciples were asking about, was the Jewish (or Mosaic) age. NOT THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!
  
  Peace.
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  Watchtower Library CD - available?

  by Grout in

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  2. bible

  i've been looking for a watchtower library cd, any vintage, via ebay etc.

  can't seem to find one anywhere.

  has the society stopped making them?

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  bob1999

  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5YSOHSVY
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  IF IT AIN'T BROKE---WHY would they FIX IT?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is a bible quiz.

  answer each question to the best of your ability.. 1.when god has sent a prophet to speak in his name, what is the standard which must be met?.

  2. if a prophecy fails, what does it indicate about the prophet?.

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  bob1999

  The WTS has changed it's teachings many times over the years.
  
  Who is The 'Lord' as mentioned in Romans 10:12-16
  
  * 1903 - 'Lord' refers to Jesus. Zion's Watch Tower Reprints, December 1, 1903, p. 3282
  * 1940 - 'Lord' refers to Jehovah. The Watchtower, July 1, 1940, p. 200
  * 1978 - 'Lord' refers to Jesus. The Watchtower, May 1, 1978, p. 12
  * 1980 - 'Lord' refers to Jehovah. The Watchtower, February 1, 1980, p. 16
  
  
  Will the people of Sodom and Gomorrah be eligible for resurrection
  
  * 1879 - Will be resurrected Zion's Watch Tower Reprints, July 1879, p. 7
  * 1952 - Will not be resurrected The Watchtower, June 1, 1952, p. 338
  * 1965 - Will be resurrected The Watchtower, August 1, 1965, p. 479
  * 1988 - Will not be resurrected The Watchtower, June 1, 1988, pp. 30-31
  
  
  Who are the ‘Higher Powers' mentioned at Romans 13:1
  
  * 1916 - 'Higher powers' refers to governments.
  Watch Tower Reprints, September 1, 1916, p. 5952
  
  * 1943 - 'Higher powers' refers to Jehovah God & Jesus Christ.
  The Truth Shall Make You Free, [1943 ed.], p. 312
  
  * 1964 - 'Higher powers' refers to governments
  The Watchtower, June 15, 1964, p. 20
  
  The WT Society admitted this change in doctrine cost many Jehovah's Witnesses their lives (The Watchtower, November 15, 1950, p. 441).
  
  When will the Separating of the 'sheep and goats' take place (Matt. 25:31-46)
  
  * 1919 - will take place after the time of tribulation
  The Watchtower, August 1, 1919, p. 238
  
  * 1923 - is taking place now, before the tribulation.
  Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, 1923, pp. 163-164
  
  * 1995 - will take place after the tribulation.
  The Watchtower, October 15, 1995, p. 19, 22-23
  
  
  There are more. If you look, you will find them.
  
  The thing is, the WTS does not hide from these changes. They claim that it's "new light". But new light can not go "on and off", "back and forth".
  
  I know that you can think for yourself, you already are.
  
  Peace.
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  "LIES, LIES!" for Bible readers and those with the NWT unholy scriptures.

  by Chalam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was just watching this video after reading another thread.

  http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=n9xjw_sk7ta .

  the i saw the this verse plastered over the wall in the kingdom hall.

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  bob1999

  You are so right. It's a wonder that most JW's don't see this.
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  Statue of limitations for the disfellowshiped?

  by myway2007 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recently had a conversation with a jw relative, to which i have not spoken to in a while.

  like always, the conversation turned to religious beliefs, and what am i doing these days, to which i responded i am just doing my own thing.

  i said what happened with me, was over 20 years ago.

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  bob1999

  Edit by bob for clarification.
  
  
  "Do you get to a point, where after being disfellowshipped for so many years, you [in the eye's of Jehovah Witnesses] revert back to being just a run of the mill non believer?"
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  February 1st 2008 Watchtower

  by fokyc in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  here is the link to:.

  february 1st 2008 public edition of the watchtower.

  http://www.sendspace.com/file/xdgzln.

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  bob1999

  "The word other appears nowhere in the Greek text and should be bracketed."
  
  The word "other" does not appear in the Greek text and should not be included at all.