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Essay by Barbara Anderson: "What's in a Name?"

by AndersonsInfo in

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whats in a name?

posted on april 15, 2014 by barbara anderson http://watchtowerdocuments.org/whats-in-a-name/ .entry-meta-icons .entry-meta .

.entry-header one morning at bethel in 1989, after the usual text discussion before breakfast, there was an announcement to the staff about the legalization of jehovahs witnesses in poland.

fiddler

Enjoy your writings always Barbara!

I used to try to keep up to date on the many names or ways to refer to the JW religion. Now, not so much...I call them 'the society', JW's but also by the most accurate name 'destructive cult' and can't leave out 'the Borg'! This rebranding just seems ridiculous to me but as one of your other essays on the history of JW's makes clear...it's nothing really new to them. Their name changes with their updating of outdated info.

Anyway, I also wanted to relate a little story about my introduction to YOU. Although I didn't know at the time it was you being spoken of I'm pretty certain now that it was. It was shortly before I left the religion for good in 1999 and two sisters were discussing 'That Woman' in rather snarling tones. I was giving a violin lesson to the daughter of one of the sisters and so only got bits of the conversation but I always was curious as to who 'That Woman' was. I got the impression she was placed pretty high up in the organization (high for a woman anyway) and that she was some kind of super traitor.

LOL! Like I said, I figured out a few years later that it was probably you. As I said, I love your writings and I now know that you, like Ray Franz, were not a traitor but a whistle blower. Thank you so much for all your very important work!

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Jw still believe 4026 B.C.E as Adams creation...?

by thedepressedsoul in

i was doing some "research" and came across jw articles that all talk about 4026 b.c.e as adams creation.

it even went as far as to state, "there are no actual records of ancient man, his writing, agriculture, and other pursuits, extending into the past before 4026 b.c.e., the date of adams creation.

since the scriptures outline mans history from the very creation of the first human pair, there can be no such thing as prehistoric man.

fiddler

I imagine this very question, 'does the organization still say Adam was created in 4026 BCE?) that I asked my JW daughter was considered 'persecution' and 'spiritual endangerment' back when I asked it. I got labeled an apostate and shunned for that and similar questions. You should have seen the 'deer in the headlights' look I got. I don't think she even knew that was the official teaching.

This subject has got to be one of the most uncomfortable subjects for a lot of Christians since if one considers it in a logical way, it effectively nullifies the whole original sin idea and the very NEED for Christ. i'll take the Buddha over the sacrificial lamb any old day. Human sacrifice! How much more barbaric does it get?

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Good Netflix shows to watch

by Simon in

in the long winter nights you need some good tv shows to watch while you wait for the eternity between seasons of game of thrones.. we've watched marco polo (pretty good) and have just started watching orange is the new black which is not at all what i imagined (didn't know it was funny!).

house of cards is on the list too as we've heard good things about that.. anyone have any others that are worth seeing?.

fiddler

I haven't watched much of Netflix for a week now because I'm bummed because I finished Season 9 of Supernatural. Damn! I gotta wait for Season 10 to come out on Netflix. My daughter got me into this series it's not my usual fare but Sam and (especially) Dean are good looking and the old classic rock music is great! It's I guess a perfect blend of humor and blood splattering the screen.

Carry on My Wayward Sons!

a little caveate: the GB specifically warned against 'Sam & Dean' so then I HAD to watch it LOL

i also like Torchwood, Warehouse 13, Dr. Who, Sherlock Holmes and Once Upon A Time.

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New JW video, song and dance

by Listener in

the current jws do not cease to amaze.

here's their latest video on youtube and straight from bethel.. there is a lot of work involved in this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwou6e5vwbo .

fiddler

Couldn't they have at least used one of their own music compositions instead of a 'WORLDLY' one?

uh...probably not.

The whole production is a knock off of 'worldly' and so not jw.

The rank n file will eat it up because it ISN'T JW. But they won't see it.

idgits!

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Trashed WT's found in Dr.s' waiting room Friday. Do you trash literature you find?

by Wasanelder Once in

took the magazines in the waiting room and dumped them in the trash.

was a great feeling.

to think many witnoids wont dare throw out the surplus magazines they have in stacks around the house is amazing.

fiddler

Print up address lables that say jwfacts.com and stick them in front cover of books and mags. There are two neighborhood book exchange boxes around my neighborhood and the dubs regularly deposit their trash in them. i'd rather discreetly stick a label in a book than toss them? Did the same with laundrymat mags.

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TO THE STUPID ATHEISTS:

by atheist_R_stupid in

being that this is not "ex jws" and in fact, more driven by atheists talking a bunch of crap, im not even going to address you people like you know anything about jws because you dont.

nor am i going to assume you know the bible because none of you do.. and yes, im speaking down at you all because you men have actually went out your way to make a site to speak down at an entire group of people.

yet i bet you cant even handle a single uswer talking down at you, like you talk down about jws can you?.

fiddler

Loved the foodie suggestions....delish!

Was that a fly buzzing around?

did somebody swat it?

hope so.

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Lets pretend jw's disappeared

by atheist_R_stupid in

and joined your ranks.... this means...youre talking about a people, that currently are pushing no sex till marriage.

that would end and join into the messages you currently push regarding youths and sex.

that would be sex, with condoms.

fiddler

ARs, lots of people read and are very well versed in the Bible. You obviously haven't met them because you probably keep your association just with other JW's and not other Christians and or neighbors in the community? They are all around you.

The best I can respond to you is to suggest that you get to know your neighbors or try visiting some local churches or community events. Take off the prideful arrogant self righteous glasses you have on and humbly get to know more people that are not JW. The qualities that make any single JW a good person are not exclusive to their religion and in fact, your JW religion tends to create some very negative traits in some of its members, namely...prideful, self righteous arrogance.

(I will stop feeding the 'T' now)

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Lets pretend jw's disappeared

by atheist_R_stupid in

and joined your ranks.... this means...youre talking about a people, that currently are pushing no sex till marriage.

that would end and join into the messages you currently push regarding youths and sex.

that would be sex, with condoms.

fiddler

A person choosing to be a Christian is not at issue. The people who get together and study the Bible and follow it' so called moral code are not the problem. All 8 million of the rank and file witness could continue to do that. It's the corporate machine,the Watchtower with its various corporate entities that are objectionable. Remove that! Let the people read the Bible and reason on it with their own adult minds and not just sit and be told what to believe without question. If in doing that some decide that they don't believe in the Bible so be it. That doesn't mean that they automatically become 'fornicators' or 'adulterers' or abortion proponents or politically active, and on and on with the things you listed. Husbands and wives and whole families have left the jW religion and have gone on with their lives....living good moral lives even without the Bible. We don't care whether they come to this site or any other. We do care that millions of people are systematically being told to just 'listen and obey' a group of men who are at the core part of a religious corporation that is trying to maintain its wealth at their (the rank and file witnesses) expense. Get rid of the corporation(s) and if you want, get back to examining the scriptures individually and researching ALL things, not just JW publications.

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Estimation for people who have lived since Adam

by James Mixon in

69-110 billion, 90% of the people who've ever lived are dead.

that's a lot of folks to be resurrected.

take away we who are apostates (a million or two) that still leave 67-110 billion.. raining down manna from heaven will not cut the mustard for 100 billion people, there is not much you can do with manna, manna bread, manna tacos, manna soup and manna sweet cakes.. there is not enough resources to to house and feed 100 billion people, 7-8 billion today.. i'am not a economist or mathematician but the resurrection will create a whole set of new problems for mankind.. it becomes a bigger problem when you figure in those folks the lived before adam that the bible forgot to mention..

fiddler

Which 'Adam' are we talking about...or 'Eve'?

the numbers would be lower by far if you are only counting from 4,000 (+a few) years ago. But if you are counting from 'Eve out of Africa' then 108,000,000 doesn't sound too high.

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ancient ruins

by crazyguy1 in

they have discovered a temple complex in turkey they call gobekli tepi and another in southern iran they tentatively call arata.

both of these sites were discovered in the last decade or two and are being dated to older then 12000 years ago.

can anyone explain how they go about dating these site since carbon 14 dating doesnt work on stone and theres no patina or very little since these places were buried?

fiddler

Gobekli Tepe is one of my favorite ancient sites to read about. Thank you HalfBanana for the info on the various ways dating is accomplished. JW's are quick to jump on just one method of dating, carbon 14 but they don't consider for a moment when various forms of dating all come up with the same conclusion about dates. I am quite jealous (in a good way) that you have had 'boots on the ground' investigating ancient sites! And really...Neanderthal tools on your desk!! Get outta here! That's great.