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  I went to this elders home this morning ready for war, just like I said I would

  by JunkYardDog in

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  i knocked on his door with 2 bibles and a 1984 wt bound volume in hand.

  i was ready for war!

  he surprised me and invited me in.

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  Maybe it went better than expected because there was no hair pulling or anyone being cussed out or threatened. Civil conversation seems to go better in this case than some of your other threads.
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  Do you want to play with bears? You are now qualified for baptism!

  by neat blue dog in

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  2. beliefs

  at today's wt study about child baptism, someone commented and she pointed to the picture of the little girl playing with her teddy bear.

  she said, 'she may be looking at her bear and thinking about getting to play with bears in the new system.

  her parents notice this, and they decide since it's real to her she may be ready for baptism.

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  The original post hurts my stomach. I've always had such a problem with the undue influence and pressure put on these kids to rope them in and screw them over for the next decades of their lives and possibly for the rest of it one way or the other. Either they stay stuck in a cult because they now have too much to lose to leave so they never really allow themselves to look at the realities or they lose everyone they will come to know. The logic that one exhibits in the comment about the teddy bear is the logic that gets your dumb ass in a cult. Anything to make something fit a narrative. Ugh.
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  What really happened around 1918 when WT leaders were imprisoned?

  by dubstepped in

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  i had never thought about this until just now when i saw that nathan natas posted some early tract from rutherford, and it made me think back to what little i could remember of the history i was taught.

  i now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor.

  so i'm now assuming i was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

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  @Morpheus - I should also say I think you're right and that the Borg will never go away. Even if it did some other group would fill the vacuum created. People in general want and need something to believe in. I see no mechanism by which this group ever dissolves. If it didn't back then, I don't see it in the future. And lol at the shout out to SBF.
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  What really happened around 1918 when WT leaders were imprisoned?

  by dubstepped in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had never thought about this until just now when i saw that nathan natas posted some early tract from rutherford, and it made me think back to what little i could remember of the history i was taught.

  i now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor.

  so i'm now assuming i was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

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  @Morpheus - Your assertion seems to be that the trial was kind of an emotional railroading of the pre-dubs back then. The powers that be knew that they were somewhat in the wrong so they let it go.

  Could it also be that since the war was over, they simply wanted to move on to matters with more relevance that retrying a case about war postwar? The Writ would essentially cause them to start all over, going after an organization for something they could no longer be doing after such a monumental war. Was it just time to move on?

  I guess what I'm saying is that it's difficult to read intent into the decision to let it go. You may be right, as the other suggestion may be as well. Do you have anything from back then that gets to the motives of letting it go? I'd be interested in seeing writings about why they dropped it.

  Regardless, it sure doesn't seem to be the heroic time it was made out to be where they were simply being singled out and unjustly persecuted.

  Thanks everyone for the information. It was an interesting time.
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  What really happened around 1918 when WT leaders were imprisoned?

  by dubstepped in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had never thought about this until just now when i saw that nathan natas posted some early tract from rutherford, and it made me think back to what little i could remember of the history i was taught.

  i now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor.

  so i'm now assuming i was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

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  Fascinating stuff. It helps to round out the narrative some. They made it seem like this was all some pointed attack specifically at them, as narcissists love to do, and of course made themselves the heroes of the story.
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  What really happened around 1918 when WT leaders were imprisoned?

  by dubstepped in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had never thought about this until just now when i saw that nathan natas posted some early tract from rutherford, and it made me think back to what little i could remember of the history i was taught.

  i now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor.

  so i'm now assuming i was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

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  So then, did they embellish their stories regarding what went down then? Obviously they embellished with prophecy, but it seems like they may have been fairly straight with their story?

  I can't remember if they claimed that it was simply government interference or if they claimed that religion was behind it.

  There weren't many followers back then so they couldn't have had much impact on raising an army.

  Thanks for the input TD!
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  What really happened around 1918 when WT leaders were imprisoned?

  by dubstepped in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i had never thought about this until just now when i saw that nathan natas posted some early tract from rutherford, and it made me think back to what little i could remember of the history i was taught.

  i now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor.

  so i'm now assuming i was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

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  I had never thought about this until just now when I saw that Nathan Natas posted some early tract from Rutherford, and it made me think back to what little I could remember of the history I was taught. I now know that in most cases the dubs will spin stories in their favor. So I'm now assuming I was told some fictitious story about what happened when the leaders were thrown in prison and things looked bleak for the cult way back when.

  I honestly struggle to remember what I was taught, though I remember them tying all of the goings on into prophecy after the fact.

  So, does anyone know what the deal really was? Who was after them? Why? What happened before and after? Anybody got the scoop on that part of history?
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  Quick hello and recent baby pic.

  by Darkknight757 in

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  2. experiences

  just wanted to say a quick hello.

  this was a pic yesterday on nurses week at henry ford with one of izabella’s primaries.

  the first pic was at her nicu graduation.

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  Knowing your story, I could not love this more. Thanks for coming back and sharing this. So awesome and adorable at the same time.
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  Who are the 144,000?

  by Canadian Sunshine in

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  2. beliefs

  if i am understanding correctly only 144,000 will go to heaven, to be with jesus and help rule?

  these 144,000 are witnesses only.

  there is over a million jw world wide, what happens to the rest of the faithful followers.

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  You seem to have a ton of questions. Something that might help you is to listen to my 9 part series called This JW Life. You can listen on iTunes or wherever you like (Google Play, other podcast apps). You can also stream directly from my site at thisjwlife.com. I think it would help present everything in one package for you. I make no money on it, there's no ulterior motives, I just shared to help people understand that life.
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  Things you didn't expect to like...

  by sparrowdown in

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  2. friends

  stuff you never expected you would do or enjoy doing as a non-witness.... researching - always thought i hated study and reading turns out it was just wt literature i hated studying and reading.

  having political opinions and just having opinons and beliefs that are not set in stone and that i am free to assess, review and adjust as i become more aware of imformation .

  droping the f-bomb every now and again to make a point feels surprisingly good but that may just be post-religious rebellion that wears off... eventually.

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  People. I always hated people as a JW. I love people now.