Yep, I miss the high. The feelings were complicated, and not all good, but that feeling of things being new and exciting and the relief that so much that I held myself to was crap felt so freeing. Learning this thing and that which removed yet more scales from my eyes was liberating in a way that I don't think I can get again.
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Do you miss that initial "high" ??
by stuckinarut2 indo you remember the first time you found out "the truth about the truth"?.
yes, it was confronting, shocking and life altering.
yes it was hard to deal with.. but, along with that, many have said that they experienced a sense of thrill, euphoria, or joy when realising the facts about the religion that held us captive mentally and physically for so long.. it was liberating to learn some of the controversial teachings etc.
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Rising allegations
by Freedom rocks inhi does anyone think that with the rise in abuse cases in the uk and the rest of the world and the w5 video as well as many others exposing the organisation that the society might use the loyalty to the organisation as brainwashing to keep people in?
they might say its all lies and an attack by satan and have to stay loyal and not believe any of it.
i bet quite a few will leave.
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Yes Bobby, by spinning and trying anything possible to prop up a pedo protecting organization, a destructive cult that destroys families and helps nobody but their own, you are showing how easy it is to ignore facts.
Does it make you happy every time a kid is messed with and the elders do nothing and the parents out of "loyalty" to your cult do nothing as well? Does it make you happy when some of those victims commit suicide later because holy spirit, elders, and parents all failed to do anything? Do you get off on seeing lives and families destroyed? You wish to see this cult continue? Why? Why don't you step up and tell us what you believe so that we can scrutinize that?
Fuck off Bobby.
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Rising allegations
by Freedom rocks inhi does anyone think that with the rise in abuse cases in the uk and the rest of the world and the w5 video as well as many others exposing the organisation that the society might use the loyalty to the organisation as brainwashing to keep people in?
they might say its all lies and an attack by satan and have to stay loyal and not believe any of it.
i bet quite a few will leave.
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Bobby, like many JW supporters before him, pretty much only posts to fight against protecting pedophiles and other sexual abuse cases. Thinking people would ask themselves why that is the one thing that they choose to fight against so vociferously. It is very curious when these dub-bots come here with such an obsession and the wiliingness to bend and obscure anything they can to do so, as they accuse others of doing.
Let's say that things are being overblown on both sides here for Bobby's sake. Why not fight against policies and culture of an organization that is protecting pedophiles and other abuses? Why fight against those who are fighting for hurt people?
Again, fuck off Bobby.
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Cancer in Animals
by Normalfulla inwe were taught sickness and death is a result of the sin inherited from adam and eve, so why do animals get cancer?
they are supposedly still as big j intended, so therefore cancer is a creation by the big fella himself?.
just an exercise for one's who believe in the whole bible story thing.. (not me)... any others anomalies you can think of ?
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There's a great book called Zoobiquity that I read before leaving the dubs. It goes into diseases and sexuality and so much of the animal kingdom, even suicide, that really made me examine what I was brainwashed to believe.
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Rising allegations
by Freedom rocks inhi does anyone think that with the rise in abuse cases in the uk and the rest of the world and the w5 video as well as many others exposing the organisation that the society might use the loyalty to the organisation as brainwashing to keep people in?
they might say its all lies and an attack by satan and have to stay loyal and not believe any of it.
i bet quite a few will leave.
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JWs regularly refer to allegations as apostate lies, they even refer to things that happened like the ARC as being lies.
So once again, fuck off Bobby.
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Nephew’s JW Fiancée Begins Conversion to Judaism Due to Passover Date
by Rabbi Midge init’s been a while since i posted, but for those who remember, i came on here to get some information about jehovah’s witnesses because i have a nephew who was getting engaged to a girl who was a jehovah’s witness and, along with some other sites, i was recommended this one.. since then we’ve been busy with passover and jehovah’s witnesses have had something they call the memorial of christ’s death (i believe i have that right).
this clashing of the two observances apparently did more for this girl than anything else i ever saw in our months of conversations with her.. respectfully, jews do not proselytize.
these are people who, of their own desire, “join the tribe” after some years of study and practice--something this girl has just begun to do.
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Lol at the preemptive ego strike by Rabbi Midge. Come on, you're the one that got defensive and ran away because we read your words and had concerns based on them. THAT is ego. So then you go on a preemptive strike trying to dissuade further questioning by trying to label questions as egoic? Unless people are kissing your rear and asking questions about Jewish culture and faith you don't seem to like questions. I don't care about Jews as much in this instance as I care about this girl, as do others, and we can only go off the words that you post. If they give the wrong impression, that's not our fault nor our ego. You seem to have come here expecting a certain reaction and when you didn't get it you got upset and ran away. Ego tries to control reactions of others.
If you are really against shunning as you state, shouldn't you applaud someone who is bravely standing up against it? She is fighting to keep it from happening at all. It may not happen that way, but would you rather her just take it?
Yes, everyone should threaten people that are about to shun them with what sound like threats of violence or pain (if you know what's good for you). By doing so you labeled her as the voice of power and strength. Again, that's all stuff that you wrote. I'm not reading in or making up. I applaud someone taking a stand against the idea of shunning, I even do a podcast on that very subject matter and help people to tell their stories, but I don't applaud what sound like physical threats as strength. If you want to talk ego, that sounds egoic. Do what I want you to do if you know what's good for you is about control, and ego is about control.
I just went back and read your posts on previous threads. You get mad when we go by your own words about this situation, about how impulsive it all seems for this girl to just up and leave her faith to explore another, but it's not like you went on to say much about her in those other threads. So what we have to comment on is what you've given us. You painted this picture, not us. You've given us a ton about Jewish culture and beliefs, but you haven't given us much about her (back to the feeling of proselytizing), and in the other threads you were called out as condescending, which you seem to be fine with. You absolutely reek of ego because we don't dance when you want us to and not only in this thread, which seems to frustrate you considerably to the point of leaving.
So hold your future lectures on ego until you check your own. We all have one and it can get the best of any of us, myself included.
If you're happy where you are, that's great. If this young lady is truly happy, that's great too. I know you won't read this or reply, but wherever you are, have a good life. That's all any of us can wish for anyone.
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Let's talk business ...
by dubstepped ini am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
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@nonjwspouse - Thanks for the kind words. I actually have two courses that are close to done that I get distracted from finishing. One teaches how we started and run our cleaning business. The other is how to start a mobile auto detailing service. I am a person that often gets to a certain point and then I lose interest. It's the ADHD in me. I've got them 99% finished, but then to sell them I need to develop websites and graphics and lead magnets and sales pitches and marketing and.........and.........and. So the course itself may be near finished, but there's so much after that to figure out and it all hits me and overwhelms me at times. Again, it's hard to maintain that focus.
I've actually been looking into some life coaching courses. I love what I get to do with my podcast "shunned" and have been able to impact lives with it. I'd love to be able to do more of that without having to go to a minimum of 5 years of full time college to become a social worker or something. I think I have a lot to offer to people. I've left a cult, gotten emotionally healthy, lost weight, paid off $55,000 in debt in just 18 months while doing the types of work that we do, etc. I'm sure I could help others to do similar things as a coach of some sort. It's just an idea for now, but I'm looking into it.
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Let's talk business ...
by dubstepped ini am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
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@JWFacts - Ah yes, sales is a great field, a way to level the playing field as far as income goes. If you can sell and get into the right product or service you can do very well for yourself. I've never really tried it, other than for my own businesses. I really have to believe in something or I can't sell it at all. That's probably the reason I stopped going out in service close to a decade before I finally woke up to the cult I was in. I knew something was wrong and couldn't sell it anymore even though I didn't really consciously know it.
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Let's talk business ...
by dubstepped ini am thinking that this could be an interesting topic.
most of us never had a chance to go to college, many of us were involved in various service industries like cleaning and such, and we have had some limitations placed on us.
so i thought it might be interested to see what has worked for people, what hasn't, what the progression has been, where people went wrong and where they got it right.
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@Della Street - Whew, that's rough. I'm so sorry you got to that point. One thing I have written down on my daily notes list is that "Business Is There To Serve You" because I can often lose sight of that and become a slave to it. You're right in that I need to put measures in to stop it before it gets out of hand.
I think that growing up JW, with the constant activity in my family, has made me somewhat a workaholic. We were in school, then came home and studied or wrote talks or went out in service in the evenings. On the weekends it was service and meetings and more service. Constant moving, constant striving, never content to just "be".
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Nephew’s JW Fiancée Begins Conversion to Judaism Due to Passover Date
by Rabbi Midge init’s been a while since i posted, but for those who remember, i came on here to get some information about jehovah’s witnesses because i have a nephew who was getting engaged to a girl who was a jehovah’s witness and, along with some other sites, i was recommended this one.. since then we’ve been busy with passover and jehovah’s witnesses have had something they call the memorial of christ’s death (i believe i have that right).
this clashing of the two observances apparently did more for this girl than anything else i ever saw in our months of conversations with her.. respectfully, jews do not proselytize.
these are people who, of their own desire, “join the tribe” after some years of study and practice--something this girl has just begun to do.
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Rabbi Midge - Why do you feel like you are being proselytized?
Because one of the definitions is "to advocate or promote a belief or course of action". It wasn't enough to tell us about this person and what went on, but you continued to give a presentation on the Reconstructing Judaism movement that seemed unnecessary and like an advertisement. You asked why I feel that way, and there you have it.
I also don't feel great about the young lady jumping from one thing to another based on one date being wrong. It seems very emotional and like a sweeping and unstable step to have uprooted her entire life and threatened her parents (which seems no better than them threatening her with shunning) if they know what's good for them. The whole thing just seems not very well thought out and impulsive, not typically the hallmark of someone about to make a great decision for their life. I find the Jewish culture interesting. My grandfather was a Russian Jew. My wife and I work for people that are Jewish and have discussions at times. I just find this thread, at least the original post, to be a mixture of interesting and somewhat disturbing. Those are my feelings. You don't have to agree.
I do appreciate learning about some of the Jewish teachings or culture that you've shared. I miss David? (name escapes me) that posted her for quite some time. He shared a lot of very interesting things regarding scripture, added Jewish views on things, and gave perspectives that were unique from the way we were taught. You're doing some of that too, which is interesting.