I've wondered who or what is behind it. Someone is getting some money. The morons at the top aren't smart enough to produce some of the spin and the new rebranding efforts over the past years. There has to be someone else running it and the Elite Eight are just figureheads. I'm sure they believe their own bull, and I've never been one for conspiracy theories or anything, but there has to be someone else pulling some strings there that benefits. I once thought they were just captives of a concept themselves, but there are too many lies that have to be deliberate and the new marketing efforts and such are beyond ol' rubberface and tight pants.
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Who stands to benefit from the JW scam
by cognitivedizzy inguys, i've always wondered about this ,.
all the money grab,selling, consolidation of kh, real estate scam , who is the one who benefits from this elaborate scam, what's the deal ?
who is the mastermind, do the gb or whoever really runs the show really believe what they sell.
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Funeral/Memorial at the Kingdom Hall ... Would you go?
by Wild_Thing inlet's say an aunt or uncle dies.
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let's say you barely knew them.. let's say their memorial service was held at the kingdom hall.. let's say if you attend, you have to deal with shunning from family and jws, and you are forced listen to them present their paradise promotional materials, and the dead person's "earthly hope™", and let's face it ... the heeby-jeebies of having to be in a kingdom hall again.. would you put yourself through it?
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dubstepped
No.
My dad died 6 months after we disassociated. While it hurt not to even be invited to his memorial, though my mom called to see if my name and my wife's could be used in the talk as who he was survived by, I don't think I would have gone anyway. I could maybe go into a random KH for a meeting out of morbid curiosity, but not somewhere where I had to be shunned and people knew me. Nope, not going to subject myself to that.
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Montana jury awards two women $35M in sex abuse lawsuit against Jehovah's Witnesses
by AndersonsInfo inhttps://missoulian.com/news/local/montana-jury-awards-two-women-m-in-sex-abuse-lawsuit/article_1bcabb7c-7381-574b-a2ba-e011cc0250a6.html.
montana jury awards two women $35m in sex abuse lawsuit against jehovah's witnesses .
a jury in northwestern montana awarded two women $35 million wednesday in their lawsuit against the local jehovah’s witnesses congregation and its worldwide headquarters.. .
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dubstepped
I hate that these people were so hurt, but I am happy to see the organization that fosters so much of the hurt get punished. Hit 'em in the only place they truly care about, their money and power.
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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection
by cofty intoday's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.
the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.
the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.
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dubstepped
Simon knows what's up. Like his predecessors he's only here to do what Simon alluded to. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. It doesn't make him any less broken and we know who he is and what he's up to from soooo many previous interactions. You can go to Topix and probably get your insights there if you love chatting with him.
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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection
by cofty intoday's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.
the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.
the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.
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dubstepped
Keep trying Ducker while you take up for your pedo protecting cult. Like I said, you're incapable of having an honest conversation and a disgusting piece of human garbage to top it all off.
Spin away, deflect, project, it's literally all you have.
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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection
by cofty intoday's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.
the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.
the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.
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dubstepped
This moron can't see the difference in a legal system that takes action and gets people on offender registries and puts people in prison that does let some slip through the cracks and his beloved cult that at best takes the action of disfellowshipping someone and only protecting their own while ignoring many instances with archaic two witness rules and actively recruiting from prisons. They actively discourage many from going to authorities that can actually investigate and that are trained in favor of window cleaners getting nosy into things that are way above their pay grade.
And you wonder why we sometimes tell you to fuck off. This is the work of a troll. This is the work of someone that cannot have an honest discussion. This is the work of a spin doctor. This is the work of someone with a very sick mind that at best is more concerned with comparing his cult to any organization he can find with a similar problem rather than holding god's one and only chosen organization to a higher standard. This is a person that cares more for the appearance of his cult than the cries of desperate children, or the risk that they are put in when his cult brushes yet another accusation under the rug while not reporting to authorities that could potentially protect an entire community. But hey, other groups have problems, so it is okay for his cult to have even more cracks to slip through. You.....are........disgusting. And you're the same disgusting and disingenuous person that you've been through every iteration that you've come back with.
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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection
by cofty intoday's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.
the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.
the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.
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That hurts Doubter, that really hurts, lol. You really know how to shoot straight to the heart.
Look, the goal of these trolls is simply to waste your time and likely to count theirs. They obfuscate, deflect, and I've often wondered if they test new rebuttals and diversions in conversations like this. I don't know if they waste their time for their own edification, and I'm not normally a conspiracy guy, but I kind of wonder if the cult themselves doesn't send these people to test things that they might use.
Most of them will tell you nothing about themselves. They don't post in much of anything personal either, like they have commands not to interact at that level. They just post in anything about the organization, and they LOVE child abuse posts. They are often robotic in affect or angry, rarely much in between, and the robo-dubs post here for a season and disappear. There are patterns to their posts, they are obvious to spot, and they get super whiny if they can't keep you engaged. Obvious trolls are obvious. They won't answer direct questions about their feelings on child sexual abuse but rather they'll usually deflect, or just disappear on threads which earns them nicknames like Ducker. These robodubs are either just obsessive types or sent by the cult themselves. It's a fascinating foray into humanity, or lack thereof, though. -
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EU Court Ruling Against WT on Data-Protection
by cofty intoday's london times reports on the july ruling of the eu court that forces the organisation country to comply with data protection.. the action originated in finland but the ruling will affect every eu country.
the cult tried unsuccessfully to argue that the notes taken by jws in the door-to-door work were personal and not accessed by the congregation.
the court ruled that they are acting under the auspices of the congregation and therefore they must comply with data-protection laws.. keeping lists of do-not-calls also falls under this ruling.. why does the cult always feel that it is above the law?.
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dubstepped
@StarryNight
He's probably Richard Oliver, an old troll that has been banned and came back. He was a gay JW and the same spin he used to make that work somehow in his mind is the same spin he comes here with in everything else. His arguments have no veracity, only spin, and whether it's him or John Davis or Bobby or whatever made up name he has this time or next the delusion is on display and arguing with him is a waste of time. He just comes here to "keep us accountable" while refusing to hold himself or his cult accountable for anything. Even his name is the height of spin. He comes, he goes, he comes back, and is a legend in his own mind. He's allowed to come here and participate knowing that we would never be allowed to have these discussions with people of his kind, meaning his cult family. I personally don't think he should be given an opportunity he wouldn't give us, but I digress. He's just a troll, trying to win points with "lurkers" that he's hoping to be the Jesus for. -
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Matt 5: 29, 30 used to justify shunning
by Jules Saturn ini had a family relative use this scripture found here to justify shunning.
the scripture reads as followed.
if, now, your right eye is making you stumble, tear it out and throw it away from you.+for it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be pitched into ge·henʹna.
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dubstepped
If association with me makes you stumble, perhaps we need to hang out more because clearly you walk a weak path.
JWs can spin anything to justify shunning out of a book of fairy tales. It's not usually even worth arguing. They see what they want to see.
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I'm considering putting off my leaving
by paradiseseeker ini just wanted to share with you the thoughts that i've had lately.. my plan was to get a job, become independent and then leaving the org throughout this year 2018. i'm going to achieve the first step in a matter of weeks, the second one soon afterwards but maybe i will wait a little longer for the last one.. one year ago a friend of mine was reinstated.
we weren't very close friends back then, although we got along well.
but, since no many jws in my town want to hang out with him (because of his being a former disfellowshipped), we started to talk and go out more often and in a matter of half a year we've become very close friends, like brothers.
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dubstepped
All the things you're doing with this conditional friend are things you could do outside in freedom without the strings attached.
I would ask if you're using the friend to avoid taking a step you're not really ready for. If that's the case, that's cool, but just own whatever the real reasons are for things and live the most authentic life you can.
If the only reason you have to leave is lack of "worldly" behavior, you may need to stay in because there are many reasons to leave other than behavioral ones. You're young, nothing is on fire, but be true to you and only you know what that truly looks like. You owe us nothing.