Posts by dubstepped

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Does Disfellowshipping only prohibit spiritual contact with a DF family member or friend?

by Isambard Crater in

all through my life, now in my 40's, i've seen df people get completely shunned by family and friends, but an ex elder showed me the stfog book that says it's just spiritual contact that stops.

so what's the crack?

i'm mega confused, as i want to go p.o.m.o or ideally da but don't want to loose family..

dubstepped

They know they shun totally. They know it looks bad. They lie. Call it "theocraptic warfare", they lie.

This is a great example of the way Watchtower Corporation muddied the waters and weasels around things. It's like how a person is automatically disassociated for doing certain things instead of being disfellowshipped because to DF them for those actions (taking blood, military service) would look bad on them. It's all about keeping up appearances with them and the culture they create through talks and such is often just different enough from the written word because they know what to put in writing and what to then tell you in person.

These things show that they are manipulative and not to be trusted.

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What would you do or say?

by Butyoucanneverleave in

a brother who is not baptized ( so there's still hope for him ) had a sister recently run into him at a store.

show wanted to know if he's going to the kingdom hall.

she asked him to write a letter for her to give to his mother ( who's deceased) in the paradise explaining why he didn't make it.

dubstepped

I'd write two letters for her. F U

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A new episode of Shunned featuring the Amish, if you're so inclined.......

by dubstepped in

episode eighteen - torah bontrager - escaping the amish.

in this episode i was able to interview torah bontrager, a non-practicing amish that is the founder of the amish heritage foundation.

torah has been on mtv true life, the tim ferriss blog, forbes.com, and the huffington post.

dubstepped

Yeah, it's sad that people just see them as this quaint little group harkening back to simpler times. The good ol' days, when kids were seen and not heard, beating your kid was okay, and nobody talked about the terrible things that weird uncle was doing. People romanticize the Amish culture. It's not so great.

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What I wish I had known at 18

by NewYork44M in

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friends

the financial times had an article with the above question.

the author asked various people to answer the question.. https://www.ft.com/content/169705e4-b4dd-11e8-b3ef-799c8613f4a1.

while i was not interviewed, if i was asked this question i would say that i wish i had known in 1975, when i was 18, that i was raised in a cult and that the continued focus on armageddon over my lifetime was a cruel joke.

dubstepped

I wish I had known that college was the next best step, not pioneering.

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A new episode of Shunned featuring the Amish, if you're so inclined.......

by dubstepped in

episode eighteen - torah bontrager - escaping the amish.

in this episode i was able to interview torah bontrager, a non-practicing amish that is the founder of the amish heritage foundation.

torah has been on mtv true life, the tim ferriss blog, forbes.com, and the huffington post.

dubstepped

Episode Eighteen - Torah Bontrager - Escaping The Amish

In this episode I was able to interview Torah Bontrager, a non-practicing Amish that is the founder of the Amish Heritage Foundation. Torah has been on MTV True Life, the Tim Ferriss Blog, Forbes.com, and the Huffington Post. Her desire is to reclaim the narrative and help tell a more accurate Amish story while working to help those that escape the church. With that said, Torah has her own intense story of escape and she’s managed to create a life that she loves on the other side of that escape.

So listen to Torah’s story, learn about Amish culture, and understand more about the experiences of others around you.

You can download and listen on your podcast app of choice (iTunes, Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Podcast Republic, Podbean, etc.).

You can also listen at https://shunnedpodcast.com/episode-eighteen-torah-bontrager-growing-up-amish/ by using the player there.

Or you can listen on Youtube at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkAqBLebnqQ&t=1s

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The Governing Body / Jehovah`s Witnesses and the Sin Of Omission ,How guilty are they ? Can you give an example ?

by smiddy3 in

i would like as many people that can, to respond to this appeal as i am sure their are many examples out their that may help lurkers and fence sitters to make a decision on where they stand regarding the "truth".

i look forward to your comments either negative or plus..

dubstepped

Doubter is incapable of being intellectually honest. Just tell him to fuck off and stop feeding him. There is some sort of thing that happens where these Watchtower bots come here for x amount of time, try out new material, we feed them, and they disappear. Then they come back later to start anew.

Just say fuck off Doubter, and refuse to feed him. It worked with Bobby before him. Don't feed the pedo protectors. They don't deserve your time.

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The Governing Body / Jehovah`s Witnesses and the Sin Of Omission ,How guilty are they ? Can you give an example ?

by smiddy3 in

i would like as many people that can, to respond to this appeal as i am sure their are many examples out their that may help lurkers and fence sitters to make a decision on where they stand regarding the "truth".

i look forward to your comments either negative or plus..

dubstepped

Look who's back after running away again, The Ducker. Come back to hold us "accountable" again you feckless liar? Why aren't you as concerned with your own cult leaders and holding their feet to the fire? Bbbbbbut I have to go make sure I spin a stupid yarn about the United Nations and try to excuse the hypocrisy of the men I worship on this earth. Pathetic. That's twice now you've disappeared. Fuck off. Go find your other alter egos Bobby and Richard Oliver and Fisherman and John Davis and just sit around seeing who can spin the longest without falling down again.

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Expected pain

by former2free in

last week was a big week for me in terms of coming totally clean to my wife and her being more than on board to leave the jw’s with me.

we know what to expect but things happen from family and it still hurts just as bad.

last night my wife got a long text message from her brother that has seemed to be in the fence and he told her that same guilt tripping rhetoric that the wt uses about life in the paradise etc.

dubstepped

As far as how you two respond, do you. Feel out those relationships that you care about and see how they will go. Determine what games you're willing to play and what games would lead you to take further action. We faded for a bit and decided we didn't want to keep playing toxic games so we disassociated when a certain line we drew was crossed.

I'm just sorry that you two are facing this. Go slow. I know it's exciting to finally open up to your wife and have her on board, but it sounds like you might be letting that excitement leak out in the family and it could turn ugly. Remember that you were allowed to wake up on your time and let them do the same. You may blow it all up if you're not careful. You're carrying a bomb to drop so no sudden moves.

Congrats on waking up. I'm sorry that it also can cause problems. Freedom is rarely free. There will often be a price to pay and sometimes it's very heavy.

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What was the EXACT exJW website you first visited and why EXACTLY did you visit it?

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

i had two episodes of visiting exjw websites:one time around 2007 when i just googled "jehovah´s witnesses" and dared to look at those sites.

i was scared and i promised myself i would never come back to them.

however, that one didn´t really count.the moment that woke me up was this:i got to know that whitney heichel was a jw and murdered by another jw, because i overheard that conversation in a kingdom hall.i looked up the news and in one of the news comments, there was one where an exjw was complaining that they were hijacking her funeral and they were really trying to downplay the fact that her murderer was a jw... and then it said "visit jwfacts.com"... which i did.and the rest... is history.what exactly got you onto an apostate website when you woke up?

dubstepped

I came here first because I searched for a forum. I've always loved reading and posting on them.

Why did I come here? Because I was so fed up with the bull in the cult and just had to see what those apostates were saying. Lo and behold, they were seeing much the same things that I was. I was blown away. I remember telling my wife that if apostates were crazy then I must be one because these people see the same things I do. They aren't making things up.

Much to the chagrin of some on here, I've stuck around. I've learned a lot here and always wanted to help others. The personal stories were always the biggest draw for me.

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Watchtower disputes $200K tax bill from Newburgh

by Rattigan350 in

http://www.recordonline.com/news/20180904/watchtower-disputes-200k-tax-bill-from-newburgh.

town of newburgh — the watchtower bible and tract society of new york is challenging nearly $200,000 in fire and other special district taxes assessed for three town of newburgh properties, including two hotels the organization bought to house volunteers helping build its world headquarters in warwick.. in a petition filed in orange county court last month, the umbrella organization for jehovah’s witnesses claimed that the town “either unintentionally as a mistake or intentionally and without lawful authority” miscoded the former hilton on crossroads court and the former hampton inn on route 300 for 2016, 2017 and this year.. with a combined market value of nearly $23 million, the hotel properties were not assessed town, county and school taxes for those years.

but the town assessed $196,000 charges for the orange lake fire district and lighting and water districts during those years.. newburgh also assessed $1,600 in special district taxes over three years for a vacant commercial property watchtower owns at route 17k and route 300.. “petitioner would not be required to pay the resulting unjust charges if its exemption from taxes had been justly, correctly, and lawfully granted and administered,” watchtower’s attorneys wrote in the organization’s petition in county court.. watchtower bought the two hotel properties in 2014 as it built its 1.6 million-square-foot headquarters on kings drive in warwick.

dubstepped

You see, Watchtower doesn't pay for volunteers, volunteers pay Watchtower. That's how it works, in fact, why aren't the volunteer firefighters raising money for Watchtower? I think the assholes should sue the volunteer firefighters for not raising money for them. They are owed by them I'm sure.

Is it no wonder that JWs were usually awful tippers at restaurants and such? I mean, the organization just takes and takes and takes and shows no appreciation from either the cult members or the general public that might save them one day. Heaven forbid they have to pay for something. If they do, I guess they'll have to have another article or letter and the beatings will continue until morale improves.