That is so cool, Ray! I recently had a similar experience and I was on cloud nine for days after!
Welcome Back!
Corvin
no surprise, i don't post here much these days.. but today, i have to.. when i first arrived here back in january 2003, i remember looking at this very section of the board.
personal experiences & reunions.. well.....i got the shock...the absolute shock of a lifetime.
some of you, i'm sure, when you remember folks in your jw past, there are those whom you thought you'd never ever hear from.. last night, i get home from work (4:00 a.m.) and i go on-line, open my e-mail, and i see a name i have not seen since my jw days of 1983/84.. how did i feel?
That is so cool, Ray! I recently had a similar experience and I was on cloud nine for days after!
Welcome Back!
Corvin
i've visited this board before and enjoyed it very much.
i was disfellowshipped many years ago, then went through 7 years of not even thinking about jws.
three years ago i started studying the bible.
Welcome Paule!
You said,
For some reason, I just couldn't continue the conversation. I wanted to warn him, I wanted to tell him my experience, I wanted to tell him about NGO's and pedefiles and 1914 and 1975 and on an on. I wanted to tell him to run like hell. But, I couldn't. Today, I feel like that organization still has some hold on me. I hate that feeling.
Give yourself some time, friend. You will soon find your voice. Since I became "apostate" I have had more success in bringing the real truth to those associated with the org and have them accept and understand it than I ever did inside the org trying to bring new ones in.
Best Regards,
Corvin
so there i was, entering the grocery store.
i walked in at the doors and they have the racks of free newspapers,.
.....there they were, awakes, half a dozen or so.
Yayyyyyy! Good for you, neverthere!
i know that this topic will be a draw to those who are truly interested in this subject, and for those who seem to feel that it is their "duty" to debunk untruth and myth, etc.
in their sphere of life.
let it so be stated that whoever is truly interested in this subject, and in having a "chart" done, etc.
I would just like to say that I am a Taurus, and that's no bull!
it has been announced that two forthcoming volumes examing the secular and biblical ecidence for bible chronology are due for publication in the spring, 2003. rolf furuli a semitic language scholar provides a new approach to the many problems associated with current chronology.
it should be interesting to see how this book will be reviewed in the scholarly literature and compare this material with jonsson's gentile times reconsidered.
to date i am unaware of any scholarly review of the jonsson hypothesis.
Are you jealous of my academic qualifications?
Scholar, my gramma was a strong, uneducated but common sensical woman who raised 10 children all by herself. She had a lyrical way of cutting through the bullshyte when she would say, regarding a person of your "stature", "that man is an educated fool". Her words, not mine.
Kind Regards,
Corvin
it has been announced that two forthcoming volumes examing the secular and biblical ecidence for bible chronology are due for publication in the spring, 2003. rolf furuli a semitic language scholar provides a new approach to the many problems associated with current chronology.
it should be interesting to see how this book will be reviewed in the scholarly literature and compare this material with jonsson's gentile times reconsidered.
to date i am unaware of any scholarly review of the jonsson hypothesis.
Wow! Hey REM, we actually agree on something!
Jonsson was addressing the Watchtower's incorrect exegesis in the face of secular historical evidence.
I have not yet read Jonsson's book, but as I understand it, it really tears the WTBTS a new one with regard to the year 1914 and what the Society has always asserted about its significance. I am looking forward to reading it.
i think many people remain as jws because they feel an isolation that spells security for them.
they enjoy being in their protected bubble.
the realization that they never have to make any real decisions is appealing.
I always had the desire to get out and be with people, to learn more than what my limited JW upbringing allowed me.
The WTBTS SUCKS BIG DONKEY DI- . . . um . . .LIPS!
i know this has nothing to do with jws or anything, but i needed to talk a bit ?
i work with at-risk teens in a continuation school.
last night i learned that one of my dear students, a bight young man with a difficult past, born into a difficult world of gangs and drugs, was found dead, shot to death in east palo alto, california.
I am truly sorry for you loss. Nothing saddens me more than the death of young one who had their whole life ahead of them, especially someone with a warm and sweet nature, who just naturally has the ability to make a difference in people's lives.
If you can, please extend our condolences to the family of this boy.
Corvin
hi everybody, it has been forever since i have been here!
i have missed you.
i had some harsh reality of disfellowshipping thrown in my face yesterday that made me realize how much i have missed being here with all you lovely people.
I was df'd the first time at the tender age of 17. It devastated me emotionally, although intellectually, I understood the reasons for it. Be that as it may, it was a bitter pill to swallow. I got back "on course" and was reinstated. I had been baptized for the wrong reasons, I was df'd justly, but returned for the wrong reasons. I did not return because serving Jehovah was my ultimate aim, but I worked toward reinstatement to feel the love and security of those whom I had formed relationships with.
That is the thing. The price you pay for having and maintaining friends and family who are JW's is to remain in good standing in a religious cult. It is insanity. You are catching a glimpse of your own thinking ability and sanity when you consider leaving. You are letting go of the rope and plummeting into the unknown and into tumbledown for a while when you decide to leave or are made to leave. It is scarey, the unknown, for there is nobody and nothing but you and your reflection in the mirror . . . and complete honesty . . . if you have the courage to embrace it.
Growth is the watching and embracing of the storms we call change. Growth cannot occur without change, and change is often and usually painful in some measure. What grows out of leaving the org and being cut off from all those you love, who love you only conditionally? You find yourself and your brain. You grow to really love yourself and you grow to start trusting yourself and your decisions. You get to choose who you would like to form relationships with and draw close to. You suddenly have the freedom, if you choose to use it, to NOT JUDGE those who disagree with you, and that in itself is the basis of many wonderful and empowering relationships with other people.
You get to read, discover, question, search, experiment, teach, learn, share, be open, be better than you ever were before. You can decide for yourself whether or not there is a God. You can determine whether or not you will serve him to best of your ability and understanding of him. My relatives and old friends still in the organization don't know what they are missing since they are shunning me. Too bad for them. The death of my mother did bring our family together, those in good standing and those who are df'd. It did not last long and the greatest amount of damage was done, not by the df'd ones, but by those who were supposed to be Christians.
I just hurt so bad for my brother, who will be left alone with 2 children under 5 yrs old if she dies.
Let him know, even against the view of the WT, that you love him and those kids. Let him know that you will be there if he needs help, real help in dealing with his loss and the bringing up of those precious children. Let him know that your love goes far beyond the manmade rules and policies of the WTBTS. Let him know that nothing else matters to you. Even if he rejects your offer, he will never forget your expression of love. It will give him something to compare if he is ever in a situation like yours.
Our thoughts and prayers are with you. You will get through this.
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have a look in the isaihh"s prophecy voll 2 page 323, not seen this on any site [ hi all]
It appears, funky, that you see things in black and white, so just for you, I have rescanned the image at a higher dpi and cleaned it up a bit for online viewing.