as many of you likely know, the owner of the e-watchman website constantly charges the wts with having committed spiritual fornication with the united nations organization (the so-called ngo affair).
i would like to ask you all a question in order to find out your opinion as to whether or not watchman has done a near equivalent thing that he charges the wts with having done.
most of you were probably aware that watchman once advertised the e-watchman site on this site here (jw.com).
Just seeking your honest thoughts and opinions, if you want to express them.
Please try to get down off your soap box long enough to think about the questions I posed.
Hey, either you want an honest thought and opinion or not. Just because your topic seems pointless to me in light of a much bigger picture, and just because you don't like what I have to say . . . you sound a bit like mother org to me.
Corvin
as many of you likely know, the owner of the e-watchman website constantly charges the wts with having committed spiritual fornication with the united nations organization (the so-called ngo affair).
i would like to ask you all a question in order to find out your opinion as to whether or not watchman has done a near equivalent thing that he charges the wts with having done.
most of you were probably aware that watchman once advertised the e-watchman site on this site here (jw.com).
Then Schizm, your initial post was pointless.
as many of you likely know, the owner of the e-watchman website constantly charges the wts with having committed spiritual fornication with the united nations organization (the so-called ngo affair).
i would like to ask you all a question in order to find out your opinion as to whether or not watchman has done a near equivalent thing that he charges the wts with having done.
most of you were probably aware that watchman once advertised the e-watchman site on this site here (jw.com).
As many of you likely know, the owner of the e-watchman website constantly charges the WTS with having committed spiritual fornication with the United Nations organization (the so-called NGO affair). I would like to ask you all a question in order to find out your opinion as to whether or not Watchman has done a near equivalent thing that he charges the WTS with having done. The Watchman's charges are true and correct. The charges are documented and cannot be disputed, explained away or excused when held up to the WTBTS's own standards. Most of you were probably aware that Watchman once advertised the e-watchman site on this site here (JW.com). Yes, it could be seen as a hard-to-be-overlooked flashing banner that was placed at the top-right of the page here. Something that you may not have been aware of though is exactly how that advertisement got to be there. As a result of my having inquired, I learned that it got to be there by means of Watchman's REQUEST. Yes, the owner of JW.com placed the e-watchman advertisement on this site at the request of Watchman himself. That is correct. An advertisement banner cannot be placed on another's site without mutual agreement between the two site owners. Duh . . . Sooooo....what we have here is ... that for the sake of gaining the benefit of having his site advertised, Watchman played ball with an "apostate" heavy; namely, the owner of the JW.com website. I would hardly call Simon "an apostate heavy". Simon is a guy just like you and I (who may or may not wear women's clothes) but the point is that I don't know my butt from a hole in the ground and even I have my own anti-JW site. It isn't brain surgery, and as intelligent and activist-like Simon may be, he is not a "heavy". He merely had a great idea, followed through and implimented it, which has benefitted many many individuals like myself. Simon, contrary to popular belief, is far from being the prodigy of Satan. Think about it! Here we have Mr. Anointed himself (Watchman), accusing the WTS of having committed spiritual fornication (due to its connection with the UN as an NGO), while at the same time he himself has been playing tootsie with an "apostate" leader ... all for the sake of getting the e-watchman website off the ground and running. Think about it! The WTBTS drew the line themselves when they joined the UN as an NGO. They set the standard for integrity then set the standard for deception and integrity-breaking when they violated everything they had for years imposed upon 6,000,000 + individuals. Many of those rules and policies have effected the breathing status of more than a few human beings. They lied and gave the old library card excuse. The WTBTS made it very clear that they would do and say whatever they had to in order to save face with their members. They, in reality offered that were no rules to play by anymore. Today, I get to be annointed if I choose to be and you, or the Society, or Jimmy Swaggart, has not the authority to say that I am not. I don't have to be accepted by a man-made organization. I can choose to believe that I am of the annointed class based on my knowledge and faith in God and his Word. Simply because the WTBTS lies, I now have license to decide for myself if I am of that heavenly hope. The can go rub a monkey. The difference between me and them is that I don't feel justified in imposing my hypocrisy and conscience on anyone else. The difference between the Organization and the Watchman is that the Watchman's proclomations do not effect anyone's oxigen intake. They, the WTBTS, in effect, gave each one of us license to question and protest, and gave many of us the real truth . . . that perhaps thousands or millions of XJW's/apostates if you will, just might not be wrong. Simon is no more an apostate than you are. Do you see what I'm talking about here? Do you see Watchman as having committed a similar crime (spiritual fornication) as that which he is charging the WTS with? The Watchman has not committed a similar crime, Schizm. Using Simon's message board to reach people with the truth about "the truth" is not the same as committing spiritual fornication with the Wild Beast. The word of the day here is "REFORM" and as far as I can tell, the Watchman has every right to call for reform from the mountain tops if he chooses. THERE ARE NO MORE RULES when it comes to the WTBTS. THEY LIE. If the WTBTS can justify their UN association, then we can excuse the annointed Watchman for using an apostate message board to help him in getting his message of truth out to thousands. I for one appreciate it.
in your congregation, did you ever have macho-wannabes on the microphones, strutting up and down the aisles handling the mikes as though they were aka assault rifles?.
we had a few tossers like this.
in fact, i might even have been one of them.... jonty
In your congregation, did you ever have macho-wannabes on the microphones, strutting up and down the aisles handling the mikes as though they were AKA assault rifles?We had a few tossers like this. In fact, I might even have been one of them...
LOL, I don't know, I might have been one of them, but I remember taking the "privilege" verrrrry seriously. Now I own and handle really nice top of the line professional grade wireless SHURE mics in my work. Nothing to it. I even get to sing solos whereas I could never have done such a thing in the KH.
I remember this one brother who use to make me laugh whenever he would walk by with the mic. When nobody was looking he would start mugging for me, pretending like he was going to bust out into a headbanger hit. It was so funny.
Corvin
second sunday that my g/f didn't want to go to meeting...i don't get it.
wonder if its a "sign".
I will keep my fingers crossed for you.
Corvin
so how's it going for you this weekend?
the end of a long week perhaps?
spending a bit of time just unwinding?
I can't believe that while we are "on the brink of Armageddon" , "on the threshold of the new system", you people are out . . .
Romancing
Sleeping
Drinking. (shiraz I hope!)
Reading
Gardening
Working (tut-tut!)
Talking
Posting on JWD
Watching sport
Playing sport
Going to church
Going to the movies
Going bowling
A hobby
Two hobbies!
Other (Please detail)
YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
The UN-Official JW site has been updated with some remarkable "new light"! A must see for JW's and Ex-JW's alike!
Corvin
after reading many stories here i guess i should have seen this coming but i would not have thought it possible with my family.. my brother and his family went over to the org over ten years ago.
we were informed recently that one of my nephew's(jeff) got out and we could not be happier.
jeff is seeing a woman who is very nice.
Yes, it happened to my family much the same way. Two of my bros were df's and shunned. It was terribly awkward but we just accepted it for many many years. Now I simply look at it this way: It is I who shun's the JW's now, family included, and I am very critical of the JW's who assume that they are good enough association for my kids whose mother is still in. I really hold them up to their own standards and do not give an inch.
Corvin
been lurking off and on for about a year.
i was never df'd or da'd, just walked away.. .
i began to study when i was a new mom.all my friends worked, i got lonely for adult conversation,and when i was offered a "free" bible study i jumped at the chance.
Jadelady! Welcome. I hope you stay around and get to know us.
i'v been lurking for a while now, reading many of the messages, and thought now's as good as time as any to say hi and tell ya'll a little about me.
i was raised a jw, and am currently still in "good standing", although inactive.
i went to the memorial and special talk and a recent special day ca, but few meetings or fs in quite some time.
I finally took the forbidden plunge, and bought Crisis of Conscience and Franz's other book Christian Freedom - I finished the one and am most of the way through the second. I still feel quite quilty about investigating "apostate" literature and websites, but have finally decided that I need to know to make an informed decision about the JW org. Its funny while reading those books how the JW training clicks in to offer an explanation for some of the experiances he describes.
I was raised in the organization, and df'd for 14 years before I stopped defending the beliefs and doctrines of the WTBTS. I would not even listen to anything that was anti-org. When I would strike up conversations in various settings with those who turned out to be df'd or xjw's I would usually defend the org and encourage them to go back. I would tell them, "No matter what any man has said or done, it is still the truth, and I intend to return one day . . . " I was waiting to align my life with the WTBTS's edicts and policies . . . to bring my life into harmony with "Jehovah's Organization". That day never came, however.
My exwife, a JW, had custody of our children and used "the truth" in the most diabolical ways against me and my children. I thought it was just her, but after some time and after seeing how the elders in their congregation were dealing with their domestic and spiritual challenges, with their abuse of my children, I took very much exception to how they were allowing my children to suffer in Jehovah's name and needlessly. I finally woke the hell up and intervened with the help of the law [I felt guilty because I thought going against my ex-wife, a jw in good standing, with the authorities, I was going up against Jehovah himself, so it was very scarey at first] and I received help from CPS, and I got custody of my kids, very rare for a man to be able to do. I knew at that point that Jehovah was no more with that woman or the elders than a man on the moon. That was all I needed to see to give me courage.
I too recently read those books, M, and I sort of took the same path, trying to justify and rationalize the actions and doctrines of the WTBTS. I did not want to believe everything I had always believed was, for the most part, a lie. In my heart, I already knew it was no use to go back to the organization and my attempts to rationalize, I suppose, was just my heart and mind making sure and offering some kind of valid argument for the beliefs I still clung to. The fact is, there is much too much documentation in those two books for anyone with common sense to rationalize away, no matter who wrote the book and no matter for what purpose. I am now glad I took the time to learn the truth about "The Truth".
Welcome, M, and I hope you continue to find the answers you are looking for. You have entered a forum rich with experienced ones in and out of the org. As for me? I have never been happier or felt more liberated since I made a conscious decision to leave and never return. It does mean starting over again, making new friends, forming new relationships and making new decisions on your own. However, if the place you are leaving is that empty, what have you really got to lose by leaving it?
Best Regards,
Corvin
