Posts by Andyman

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"Elder's Kids are the Worst?"

by Pathofthorns in

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i'm not sure if its my limited perspective, but i have heard the saying "elder's kids are the worst".. from my perspective, the saying appears to have much merrit.

if this is true, why would those who seemingly are raised in the "best possible environment" and who would in theory be raised in harmony with the society's direction (good "spiritual routine" , meetings, service, family study etc) turn out the worst?.

could it be that an elder's schedule is too busy for his family?

Andyman

Hi Pathofthorns;

Like Frenchy I am not sure if they are really any worse, I think they just have morel problems when growing up than most other children.

I do think that they see the hypocricy more than other JW children. I also think that their parents tend to not be there for them because they have to many "other" things that come first for them.

The elders I know seem to not have time for their families. They are to busy with congregation things, and with making more money. I have noticed that since the change in the 1914 doctrine a lot of elders are taking on extra jobs to make money for the future. Some are really getting carried away with this, but that is another story.

My brother-in-law is an elder and the P.O. He never has time for his kids. His son is depressed, and seems to be having problems at home. The teenage years probabaly make this worse, but children really need their parents to be there when problems come up.

My brother-in-law has taken on extra work, which he really didn't need, which also cuts into his family time. His marraige isn't great, and I think he is avoiding facing the problems by working more and staying away from home. This doesn't help the children.

Another elder I know lost his wife and two daughters because he wasn't understanding when it came to family problems that arose. He simply had to much work to do in the congregation, and his marriage suffered for it.

I personnaly think the society demands to much from the elders, and they always seem to want MORE. The family suffers for this, and it isn't right. The elders need to be able to take care of their families first, the congregation second.

One of the problems that I see is that the eldrs are not really qualified to be doing the counseling work the society demands of them. Spiritual guidance they should do, most of the rest of the problems, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, marriage counseling etc. should be done by those who have been trained in these fields, not by an elder with only a high school education. This would leave more time for their own families and to work with the problems they have.

I also personally believe that they should only serve as an elder for a certain length of time instead of being put in for life so to speak.

Children grow up to fast, and if you aren't there to help in this process, you can never get it back. A choice needs to be made and the family should be the winner.

Take care.

Andyman:

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Disassociated

by Scorpion in

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it has been an experience to say the least.

i accepted eagerly the teachings of the watchower bible and tract society over the last 7 years.

i have been a dedicated pioneer for four of those years.

Andyman

You have made a major move in you life SC. It won't be easy, but you will survive. I am glad that your family is with you on this choice. It will be easier with them in your corner.

If you have problems may I suggest counseling. There are some great counselors out there who can help. If this is not an option for you then keep coming to the boards like this one and don't let things bottle up inside, let it all out.

I admire you for being able to make such a decision, I would never see anyone in a bad light who is doing what they feel needs to be done.

Good luck, and take care.

Andyman:

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Donations for Literature?

by Andyman in

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i know that there is a variety of posters here from different places.

i have seen some from canada, the u.s., and australia, and england.

so i wanted to ask about the "donation" arrangement for literature.. somebody in another thread mentioned the "double" payment thing.

Andyman

I am going to try and post a link here to the brothers first post telling me how it is done in his congregation in Australia. Hope it works.

[url] http://boards.carm.org/forums2/wwwboard6/messages/9555.shtml[/url]

Take care.

Andyman:

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Donations for Literature?

by Andyman in

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i know that there is a variety of posters here from different places.

i have seen some from canada, the u.s., and australia, and england.

so i wanted to ask about the "donation" arrangement for literature.. somebody in another thread mentioned the "double" payment thing.

Andyman

Hi Roamingfeline;

Well I tried to tell him what was said over here, provide him a link, don't know if he read it or not, but all he could do is call me an "apostate" who was trying to make the society look bad.

He seems to think that the society doesn't make any money on things they just break even or something.

Oh well, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink!

Take care.

Andyman:

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Donations for Literature?

by Andyman in

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i know that there is a variety of posters here from different places.

i have seen some from canada, the u.s., and australia, and england.

so i wanted to ask about the "donation" arrangement for literature.. somebody in another thread mentioned the "double" payment thing.

Andyman

I posted a link to this thread over on the site where I was discussing things with this other brother. He is from Australia and he seems to think the society doesn't make anything on their literature.

I told him to check out this link, but I don't know if he will or not. He thinks that everything that is made just covers the cost of printing the magazines. He says that in his congregation nobody has EVER told them they have to put the money collected in field service back in the box.

Now I know we have at least one poster here from Australia. How does your congregation work this arangement out? Have you had a talk about donating when you pick up the literature, and then putting all donations in field service back in the donation box?

Just curious.

Andyman:

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The 1914 Generation change

by Andyman in

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i was over on the thread about the blood policy and got to thinking how easy it is to just accept a change and after awhile people even forget all about how important it was at one time.

if the society does change the blood policy how long will it be before it is just accepted, and brothers and siters don't even recall the previous stance on the issue?.

this got me thinking about the change in the 1914 generation.

Andyman

Beverly;

How true. I have never heard anyone question what was said at assemblies or conventions. All they ever do is say how GREAT the information was.

I have had some brtohers and sisters question things going on at the local level, but as soon as the elders get wind of it, and they always do because SOMEBODY always runs to them trying to get some points, they have a local needs talk about "never question" the elders. They would say how they were "handling" things, and don't get involve, don't talk with anyone else about how you feel, etc.

I think this was usually a sore spot with them, because usaually it had to do with something that and elder or MS or their wives or family were doing that they SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DOING!

Oh well, I guess if we all just stick our heads in the sand and pretend that everything is PEACHY, we wouldn't have to think about all the problems![:l?]

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What is the WT afraid of???????????????????

by Zep in

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ok, since it was so easy to get on here i'm assuming that this place is also over run by wts critics...but anyway!.

i've read a plenty of wt mags and got sucked in enough by the whole thing to go to a few meetings and do a bible study( which i wouldn't really call a study, since we just read one of their books).i soon broke of the whole thing and didn't even read another mag for about 6 years...6 months ago i wandered into h20 out of curiosity and ended up reading up on the arguments against the wts.. i have a simple question, and its probably very naive to ask this...but why is wts so afraid of debate?...there are plenty of sites arguing against the wts...but none for, apart the official site which doesn't address the issues raised by so called "apostates" anyway.. if the wt has the the truth why dont they just refute the the arguments against them instead of shutting up shop and labelling anyone who questions them an "apostate?

" or from satan or something.. i'm really beginning to think that all this wt business is just waste of time, that if i were to go to kh and ask questions that i have, i'm more likely to be labelled a trouble making agent of satan rather than be taken at face value as someone with serious questions.

Andyman

Oh yes, the no debate policy. If you can't answer a question ignore it and maybe it will go away. Or change the subject, that was always a good way to get out of answering something you couldn't.

I have been on the internet for almost 2 years now, and these tactics are widely used. Many times on boards when faced with a question that can't be answered, brothers and sisters just fade away. Sometimes the come back hoping that the question has been forgotten, but many times they never returen, at least under the same name.

The society has trained them well!

Take care.

Andyman:

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The 1914 Generation change

by Andyman in

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i was over on the thread about the blood policy and got to thinking how easy it is to just accept a change and after awhile people even forget all about how important it was at one time.

if the society does change the blood policy how long will it be before it is just accepted, and brothers and siters don't even recall the previous stance on the issue?.

this got me thinking about the change in the 1914 generation.

Andyman

I was over on the thread about the blood policy and got to thinking how easy it is to just accept a change and after awhile people even forget all about how important it was at one time. If the society does change the blood policy how long will it be before it is just accepted, and brothers and siters don't even recall the previous stance on the issue?

This got me thinking about the change in the 1914 generation. I remember how this was a very important point when I was studying back in the late 80's. It was explained to me over and over that this system would defenitly end before the generation of 1914 passed away. It was the key point used to show me that the END was just around the corner.

I can remember to this day when the change came out. I couldn't believe my ears. They were changing something that had been preached for years, and that they used to prove that the end was close. Everyone else seemed to just accept it no questions. I can remember brothers and sisters being so excited because of the "new light". I was having a hard time with it, but everyone else seemed to be OK with the change. I thought that maybe I was missing something.

Over the last year or so I have come across brothers and sisters on the internet who are fairly new in the organization that don't even know what was taught about the 1914 generation. It hasn't been that long ago, but it seems like it has faded into the sunset so to speak.

Has anyone else noticed this?

Just curious.

Andyman:

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new light is on the way...

by mgm in

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please read the article:.

http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/tim/2000/06/14/timfgnusa01004.html.

mgm

Andyman

Hi Waiting;

I bet the same kind of conversations went on back when "organ transplants" were a no no. I can here them saying the same thing, "No way would I get an organ transplant, and anybody who does should be DF'd or DA themselves!"

Of course today if a brother or sister needs an organ transplant, most go right ahead and get one. Many don't even know that at one time they were as bad as getting a blood transfusion. Today it is just another major medical procedure that is up to the INDVIDUALS as to whether they get one or not.

I wonder what it will be like say 20 years from now when a brother of sister needs a blood transfusion?

Just wondering!

Andyman:

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Donations for Literature?

by Andyman in

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i know that there is a variety of posters here from different places.

i have seen some from canada, the u.s., and australia, and england.

so i wanted to ask about the "donation" arrangement for literature.. somebody in another thread mentioned the "double" payment thing.

Andyman

Someboyd brought out a point once on another site about the fact that every magazine they print gets paid for.

All 6 million JW's, and their children, each pay for their copies, and then they pay for ALL the magazines that go out the door. So if you look at it that way then it has to be profitable.

As for the cost of printing I have heard different qoutes, one site says that they make about 500% profit on the magazines. If that is right, and since EVERY magazine is paid for by publishers, and then extra money is made when people donatate, I would say they are doing pretty good in the printing department!

Take care.

Andyman: