Thanks SeeClearly,
This has been a long time coming, the surgery and the blood issue.
Anyone have any experiences of relatives reactions to blood transfusions with circumstances like mine ?
Thanks, Lee
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19A "Bloody" Question -- Hospital bound...!
by Rabbit ini will be having major back surgery within a month.
also, has there been a change on giving & storing your own blood to be used if needed ?
i know, i know...most of you may be way past this issue now...i am still teetering.
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A "Bloody" Question -- Hospital bound...!
by Rabbit ini will be having major back surgery within a month.
also, has there been a change on giving & storing your own blood to be used if needed ?
i know, i know...most of you may be way past this issue now...i am still teetering.
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Hey everybody!
They moved my back surgery from mid-March -- to the middle of this week ! Surprise, surprise...!
Thank all of you for all the great info, links and thoughts about this issue. It is I think, the most pervasive, destructive belief all of us JW's once had. The second being -- shunning.
I say 'had', because tho' I've been thinking about this for a while...I've made a very big decision. If it comes down to me needing a blood transfusion -- I said, OK. W h e w ! After 35 years of believing and fighting for the WTS theory, I said, "Enough." I felt very embarassed talking to the R.N. during Pre-Op, when asked about 'religious preferences' I said, "Well...it's been a JW, but, I've decided to take blood any way, if my life is in danger. She said something very interesting..."don't be embarassed...A LOT of JW's say OK to blood!" "Really,?" I said. Then we got into a good discussion about the bible. We talked about 'eating or abstaining' from blood and agreed it was referring to animal blood. She did NOT know that a JW would be DF'd if they accepted blood and said, "Well, that's not right..."
I told her then, I wanted to somehow keep this confidential and if any inquires were made from any JW family, elders, etc. or anyone...except my wife and my father, no info was to be given out. If a tranfusion was taking place -- no one else will be allowed in the room. When the Doc comes out to talk to the family -- y'all know how that is...JW's will step up to the plate to question him, just to make sure 'he did the right thing'. As you know I am trying to 'stay-under-the JW-radar' for the time being and do not want to cause anymore problems for myself and my family, I want to f a d e...quietly and take some of them with me by example.
I wish I had had this surgery long ago, but, now I've got one of the best surgeons anywhere, so wish me good luck!
Someone asked in a post one time, 'Does this forum really help anyone?' (or similar), yes, I have been struggling with several issues and situations for awhile now and have received such a good broad spectrum of ideas and opinions from so many -- that have a common history and roots, that I CAN see clearly the answers to a lot of them. On this BLOOD issue, I don't think I would have been able to be where I am now if not for the people on this board.
So-o, I guess y'all have officially corrupted me now, huh?
Sentinal said:
I'm not concerned, because I will just do what my heart tells me, if and when I'm ever presented with a medical concern that might require a transfusion. No use to worry needlessly. Even after I left the JW's, for the longest time, I still thought it was rather "gross" to consider putting someone else's blood in my body. Since then, my opinion has changed
Thanks to everyone who wrote me about this!
~ Lee ~
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A question for former pioneers.
by JV ineverytime you go to an assembly or to a convention or the co pays a visit, there's always a call for people to pioneer.
they always drag out a couple of pioneers on to the stage and "interview" them.
the one question they always ask is if the pioneers have any regrets over pioneering.
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3 long years Regular, quit after '1975' anybody have a guess WHY...??? My non-JW father saved up and was going to pay for all my college education...he kicked me out after I started pioneering. Later, when I had a family started, I asked if he would still help me with college -- nope, you made your choice ! I don't blame him now...!
Wasted...? Yes. Regrets...? I 'brought' a few people 'into the Truth', wonder how they are faring now. * sigh *
I too, got the 'counsel' that I could 'do' more...to acheive my 'goal' of MS & Elder. At least that never happened.
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my first post in this forum
by trumangirl inhello, just introducing myself.
i'm an inactive witness, been so for a few months now.
got put off mostly by 1914 being hammered more and more lately, the child molestation issue, the un-ngo thing and just feeling like i don't want to shoot my mouth off and get labelled apostate so best to fade out.
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Welcome TrumanGirl,
I am a fader, too. There are lots more here, I've gotten more real help here, than 35 years as a witness...read on !
Lee, from the Great State of Texas (that's a state in the USA)
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Are You A Man Or A Woman???
by minimus in.
i don't know if it's just me but at times i get confused as to who's male or female here.
for the record, i'm a man.
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Shotgun,
P-wease...Mr. Gun, it's not wabbit season...here let me hold that nasty old gun for ya'...
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Are You A Man Or A Woman???
by minimus in.
i don't know if it's just me but at times i get confused as to who's male or female here.
for the record, i'm a man.
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Shotgun:
I 've been meaning to ask...why do you always have that gun pointed in my face, huh ? Can't we bury the hatchet, doc ?
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Are You A Man Or A Woman???
by minimus in.
i don't know if it's just me but at times i get confused as to who's male or female here.
for the record, i'm a man.
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<----------------------- A Man ! Look at my picture silly! W a i t...man or wabbit, hmmm? My furry wittle wife says ah'm "the Energizer Bunny...hmmmmm. Interestin'... Doc. What do you think she means by that ?
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Sad and guilty....
by Trailblazer ini have just come from my parents house.
my dad just informed me that he and my mother cannot attend my wedding.
(i was married before, have "faded away" and am getting re-married).
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Trailblazer:
(I was married before, have "faded away" and am getting re-married). It just sucks. I am finally feeling the full impact of shunning from my extended family and friends. Any tips on how to deal with this?
This issue was the reason for me looking for and finding this site. I too was married before, wife unscripturally divorced me and left me hanging. I too 'faded away'. I got remarried to a non-JW (good gal, too !) my family and relatives informed me they would have nothing to do with the wedding --- and they did not.
6 months have passed without one single word or letter from them. Then a few days ago,,,after a few calls from me to my sisters answering machines...one of them called me back ! We of course did not speak of the wedding or religion, she was very friendly and acted as tho' nothing had happened. I had been extremely angry and hurt by their decision, but as I wanted them to respect my free will, I would respect their 'choice'. I then got a nice letter and pictures of her kids from her, too. What is she thinking...? I dunno. My other sister and her side have never called back, as we were close, I will just keep doing what I am doing, maybe things will change, it is their choice.
Incidently, I am not DF or DA -- yet. They just told me I was 'sinning' by not marrying 'in the Lord' ! Even tho' no JW sister would have even dated me, because I," was not free to re-marry." She would not have put herself in the position of getting DF herself. Catch-22 !
Someone earlier said something about 'showing' people you are happy and sucessful as the best way to 'quiet' your critics. I agree. Most anyone who sees me with my new wife, sees the Love and happiness between us. They say "It's so obvious how much you guys love each other." That's the way we feel, too.
So, my advice is...be happy anyway you can, marry if you want to. Maybe, the 'critics' will see how happy you are and feel 'guilty' for raining on your parade.
And like 'puternut' above, I am not invited to my daughters wedding or her graduation or anything else. That makes me sad. But, now everyday I have someone to share my life with.
I hope the best for you.
Lee
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BLOOD Transfusion CHANGES
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe golden age november 13th 1929 issue, pages 106, 107:.
the golden age march 27th 1935 issue, page 409:.
the golden age september 23rd 1936 issue, page 816:.
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aniron Wisely sez:
Acts 15 says "abstain from blood" it relates to eating blood. Is transfusing blood "eating" as the WT claim. There is no sound basis for that claim. Blood transfusion is not "intravenous feeding", as the WT claim, it is the transplantion of a fluid tissue, NOT an infusion of a nutrient. A kidney transplant is not eaten a food, it remains a kidney, in form and function. Same with blood, body cannot use transfused blood as food, it must be eaten and digested first.
A patient is given blood not because they are "malnourished" not because they lack nutrition, but because of lack of red cells to carry oxygen to the body.
poorside, I was a witness for 35 years, my daughter could have died from blood loss, my wife and I fought like good JW's do for the WTS rules, which we thought represented the Bible. My Mom probably died when she had Cancer, because she DID NOT take any blood -- even fractions that other JW's could take with their conscience, an Elder from the 'JW Hospital Liasion Committee' (against my objections !) advised my 2 JW relatives, who were advising our Dad, to go with the STRICTEST interpretation. My non-JW Dad was trying to abide my my mothers' wishes...she was un-conscious...the info given to him was E_D_I_T_E_D ! She DIED. NOW -- 4 years later (Wait on Jehovah ...!) Bulgarian's and others are told "It's OK", "JW's can have a transfusion and NO action and NO punishment will be brought against them ...?
WHAT ABOUT MY MOM...? SHE IS DEAD, GONE & BURIED...!!!
For What ? Rules that are un-clear and worst of all constantly changing...with no apologies ...???
Aniron --is right , blood is only a carrier --- not food !
Lee
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Why Aren't You at the Kingdom Hall?
by Robdar init's sunday morning, shouldn't y'all be at the kh?
i can't believe that you all would rather be doing something else besides sitting at the kh enjoying the latest spiritual nourishment served up from the loving gb.......you must be a bunch of heathens!
heh, i am getting ready to go to work and then i am having my latest beau over for sunday dinner.
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Robdar:
Rabbit, must I remind you that the way is narrow? If you keep going at this rate, your big heathen ass won't make it through that narrow gate. C'mon, Baileys? Do you know how many calories are in that stuff? *Sadly shaking my head again*
Suuuuuu-eeeeeeeee...! ''Oink-oink, First off, I wanna know how you knew about my 'big heathen ass', huh ? Who told ya' ...? lol, you gave me a much needed belly laugh! For the record tho' -- I lost 43 pounds in the last 6 months. Saturday it SNOWED in North Texas 4", the biggest snowfall in 20 years. So I had to celebrate with my Valentine...you surely noticed the order of of my fun...we burned off that Bailey's !!
Rabbit -- is proudly fueled by "Bailey's Irish Cream."
peace...