it's sunday morning, shouldn't y'all be at the kh?
i can't believe that you all would rather be doing something else besides sitting at the kh enjoying the latest spiritual nourishment served up from the loving gb.......you must be a bunch of heathens!
heh, i am getting ready to go to work and then i am having my latest beau over for sunday dinner.
W-what...today's ...what...Sunday ? Aw-w-w-w. damn, not again. That's like 150 damn Sundies Sundays in a row...crap, oh, well hell. Lemme see now, I calulate that's around 780 meetings/hours I missed damn, how will I ever make that up? We were * y a w n * sleepin' off all that Romancin' 'n Luv makin and drinkin that Bailey's Irish Cream...my conscience feels a lot better this way... ah, getting sl e e p y ... (snore)
So-o, how many hours have you guys saved since your last meeting...?
ok....listen up all you pagan, valentines day worshippin, heathen, apostate bastards!.
valentines day has pagan catholic roots!.
what is valentines day, who was valentine?.
Congratulations Rabbit Good news dudeBrummie
Ok, Ok...thank you folks...settle down...
Hope y'all had a good one, too !
ok....listen up all you pagan, valentines day worshippin, heathen, apostate bastards!.
valentines day has pagan catholic roots!.
what is valentines day, who was valentine?.
CONGRATULATE ME...!
For the FIRST time since 3rd grade -- I said Happy Valentines ,to my new wife. And, I gave her a sweety Valentine card & chocolates (I hear they are an aphrodisiac, he-he, ). And -- I am a LUCKY man to have such a good wife. AND, I feel good. AND, I am about to GET Lucky, and feel even better.
Applause -- Now ! Please...?
Wouldn't you like to be me -- Lee I love it !
i couldn't believe this list of cannots that jws have to adhere to!
i already knew about the holidays, blood tranfusions, the pledge, etc.
there's maybe one or two that i would agree are for your own good, but the rest are ridiculous!!
Nan:
I bow to you...
Very good post. This is what I was trying to do in my post, "The unwritten Grey Book of JW Rules." You really thought this one out, I hope more people write so we add to this growing list. It is sad when we can finally see the 'big' picture of just how restrictive things really were.
Thank you, Lee
there is a pioneer in a nearby congregation, that my jw friend told me about recently.
this person is a woman, but used to be a man.
everyone has accepted her, and they all talk about what a good example, and what a wonderful pioneer she is.
razor:
I believe I know the site you are mentioning, a very 'WTS apologist site', and a stance I would stay completely clear of. If I recall, it admonishes almost complete abstinence which renders one, asexual. Sad.
This is sad, people that throw around that word 'abstinence' all have one thing in common, they ALL have someone ! (or physical problems that prevent sexual functioning)
Questions: I am kinda new here, I don't quite understand what is meant by a 'JW or WT apologist' person or site ??
Also, what the HELL does 'BTTT' mean...? I have racked my tiny bunny rabbit brain and can't figure it out ???
and lastly...on this thread...what does the WT say about hermaphrodites ? Can they ...get married to either sex or none?
Get baptised, MS, Elder, etc. after all even the WT cannot use their arguements about "choice" or "preferences" ? After all they were born in such a way that no one can 'translate' or argue...take that back...the Elders would probably have them 'drop their pants/dress' to assess the situation for themselves. * sigh *
well, after lurking here for about 3 weeks, i finally registered and decided to "join the club.
" reading your posts has really been a great help in continuing on the path i know to be right.
a little history if you'll bear with me.... born and raised a jw....baptized at 13, df'ed at 16. i've been reinstated for two years.
Welcome 'New Light' I'm kinda new here, too I quickly became almost possesed er, obsessed with all the good info and people here !
i was wondering...what un-written rules have y'all come across ?
the rules that have gotten you or others in trouble?
including all the "grey rules," that are open to interpretation by indubviduals and committee's.
Christians should avoid gambling in all its various forms, including lotteries. From the "Secret Elders Manual."
i will be having major back surgery within a month.
also, has there been a change on giving & storing your own blood to be used if needed ?
i know, i know...most of you may be way past this issue now...i am still teetering.
peacefulpete:
Perhaps rereading Acts 15 would be helpful. The story goes that converts from the Pharisee camp were insisitng upon aspects of the Law to be retained, Paul's camp said not The solution posed was a compromise.
Thanks pete, reading the context helped. Lately, when I read stuff I see them in a much different 'light' or angle than I did for 35 years
jgnat:
I helped my JW honey wade through the doublespeak, and he settled on allowing any fractionated blood products and blood substitutes such as Hemopure in order to save his life, but not whole blood or platelets. The WTBTS still disallows the practice of storing your own blood before surgery, but really, what is stopping YOU from doing that?
A comprehensive site: http://www.ajwrb.org
I have decided to store my own blood. In case any JW relatives show up, I am going to try to keep them out-of-the-loop on this issue, if I attract the attn. of elders, there are questions I don't want to answer (re-marrying) and no meetings for 4 years. (flying under their radar)
Thank you for the articles, this is exactly what I am needing to make my decisions and my arguements, if it comes to that. I will check out that web-site, too.
outnfree:
Also, you may want to read through Ray Franz' In Search of Christian Freedom, in particular, the Chapter entitled "Blood and Life, Law and Love" because he reasons through the blood issue with full knowledge of the JW stance and with a Christian view to not offending/sinning against God, which seems as though it might still be important to you.
Best wishes for a successful surgery. Mine was done about 6 years ago and I wish I hadn't waited as long as I did to finally feel almost normal again!
Dear free: I'll check out that book, too. I still haven't gotten to read, "Crises of Conscience." This surgery has been a long time coming, I am ready for sure, I am going broke ! Thanks for the encouragement !
To everyone: From the start of this, everybody has said, DECIDE what YOU want to do, if you feel more comfortable at a JW site that's OK...here's what the WT says and here's my opinion. That's what I like about this site...people encourage others to make up their own minds and are willing to freely give the opposing viewpoint as well. This is not the dogma common to the WT at all !
Thank you !
i will be having major back surgery within a month.
also, has there been a change on giving & storing your own blood to be used if needed ?
i know, i know...most of you may be way past this issue now...i am still teetering.
Shamus:
Blood is considered an organ by the medical community. Always has been, always will be. The WTBTS says that you can accept organ transplants, so don't worry about it.
Back when I was going, transplants were a 'no-no' when did this change ? Do you have any WT copies or ref's ? This is all for arguements sake -- if it comes up.
One thing I will surely do is 'store' my own blood. I have a friend who had the same operation and ended up needing the 4 pints she stored, she was not JW...just worried about disease. Does any one have any WT ref's about why they think this way ?? I don't see the difference between that and the use of a heart/lung machine or kidney dialysis. Blood in, blood out.
Everyone -- thanks for your respect and well wishes.... Lee
i was baptized in '73.
i also reg.
pioneered for 3 years.
TD:
If you're asking what I think you're asking, I don't believe the records are supposed to be stored at the KH. Probably in the home of the "Secretary" or PO.
That's comforting...not.! What happens when someone is counciled about something or is DF, is there a collection of dirty little notes about the interrogation ? Where are they...?
