Posts by amccullough

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HOW MANY AWAKES Would I Have To Sell?

by deddaisy in

title jehovah's witnesses purchase florida arena.

appears in "amusement business.

" 109(30)p.10.july 28, 1997. note watchtower bible & tract society will buy the west palm .

amccullough

ded -

it had NOTHING to do with the WTS being unethical for being
profitable

My post was more directed at LDH's comment where she made a comparison to the Red Cross by saying the following:

I'll just stop here and assume that MA hasn't read anything in the news about the Red Cross soliciting donations for victims of tragedy and NEVER spending the money on what it was donated for.
They're one of the best examples of a "non-Profit" this country has. Yes, there are a million ways to manipulate the figures to make it look like you're not making "any money." LOL.

So in my reply I prefaced that I don't know enough about a profitable business as opposed to a non-profit religion to determine which the WT should really fall under, but that I didn't think they were doing anything unethical, such as "NEVER spending the money on what it was donated for." This wasn't even a debate against any other post, just an opinion (because I don't think LDH point was that the society is unethical as much as it was that there are plenty of ways to peg yourself non-profit when you really are.)

Then you say...

And what is your point with Rand Cam Engine?....Certainly, you're
not trying to say that the Society is not going to profit from even the most miniscule holdings in this company?

No, not at all. But I certainly won't go the other way and say

The point is MA, the WTS is making a BIG PROFIT on this stock!

because I don't know that for a fact.

stock that's going to make the profit that the RAND CAM engine is going to make.

Maybe I should go buy some stock in it then.

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HOW MANY AWAKES /PART TWO

by deddaisy in

july 15, 1996 monday.

section: financial news.

amccullough

Ohhhh, I'm sorry. I didn't know this was a debate. I just saw a post about a company called Reg Tech and their subsidiary REGI and an engine they own the rights to called a Rand Cam Engine. So what is the topic of debate and what stance should I argue?

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HOW MANY AWAKES Would I Have To Sell?

by deddaisy in

title jehovah's witnesses purchase florida arena.

appears in "amusement business.

" 109(30)p.10.july 28, 1997. note watchtower bible & tract society will buy the west palm .

amccullough

I'm not sure what constitutes a profitable business as opposed to a non-profit religion, but it seems to me that the WTS use their money exactly as they say they do, to promote their preaching work. I think buying a facility to teach people in would fall under that category. I see nothing unethical with this. I assume that the WT has a lot of money and they probably have some pretty savvy business men to make sure they use their money wisely so they always have resources to further their preaching work. When I was at Bethel, I saw no indication that a single person was profiting off of the WT's revenues. Did any other ex-Bethelites?

And Deddaisy, I'm not sure if you realize this, but Rand Cam is the trade marked name of a type of engine. So if you do searches just on that you will find a lot of things that aren't directly related to the Rand Cam Engine Corporation who do not own the trade mark license. You may already know this, but thought I would point it out just in case.

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Stafford's Book Is Shipping

by ros in

jw
friends

for those of you who may have ordered the latest book by greg stafford, "three dissertations on the teachings of jehovah's witnesses", it began shipping today.. if you're interested in ordering it, go to elihu books:.

http://www.elihubooks.com

amccullough

Faithful, no need to be so melodramatic. Ros obviously enjoys reading and examining other's beliefs.

Ros, thank you for the notice. I placed an order a long time ago, hopefully it will be processed.

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HOW MANY AWAKES /PART TWO

by deddaisy in

july 15, 1996 monday.

section: financial news.

amccullough

I sometimes shop at Gap, I like some of their clothes. I didn't know they were owned by NASA though.

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WT does NOT own "Military Stock"

by amccullough in

i thought this deserved its own thread...below is a reply a made to one of the previous threads ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24473&site=3 ) and i am anxious for someone to refute it...or maybe i'm right.. not quite...it seems everyone is muddling the details on this.. it seems that james mccann, who donated the stocks to the wt, invented an improved rotary engine called a rand cam engine.

his company, the rand cam engine corp is a privately held company, but he has donated 50% of the stock to the wt (but retained the voting proxy so the wt has no say in what is going on), he owns 34% and the balance is owned by several shareholders.

this company is half owner of another company called rand energy group.

amccullough

Dedaisy -

This is the last time that I'm even going to look at this thread.

That's one way to get the last word in.

I challenged you only because you were to quick to judge its content, seemingly as if one couldn't do that for oneself.

What in the hell are you talking about...quick to judge? What judgement did I make? This whole thread was started because I wanted to clearly understand all the legal jargon I had been reading about this whole stupid military stock thing. I kept reading all these threads about the "WT being into Military Stock Big Time!" and "WT owns smart bomb factory!" but when I read the information they were referencing, I didn't get that. So I started a thread stating exactly how I understand all the information that I was able to find and invited others to either verify or correct my understanding. My initial post even acknowledged that there is some level of guilt at the WT, but not as much as everyone else has said.

Your posts simply reenforce my belief that there are many people on this list who are just as "blinded" by their hatred for the WT as they were when they were FOR the WT. This is evident because of your inability to read a post without either attributing it to a "for" or "against" catagory as regards the WT. You assumed that I was trying to absolve any guilt of the WT and that I was posting in their complete defense, even though that is not in any of my posts.

SUGARCOAT: TO MAKE MORE PLEASANT OR ACCEPTABLE.
YOU:"Who knows how many different stocks they own and IF THEY ARE TRACKING THE ACTIONS OF EACH COMPANY THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN? " give me a break mccullough, if you truly believe that a organization as large as the WTS doesn't have a network of lawyers, financial advisors, and professionals that keep tabs on investments you are more foolish than I originally thought. If not, then you are sugarcoating the issue.

The point was that I don't know. Neither do you. They probably do keep track of all their monies. The point of bringing that out is that there could be a number of reasons or excuses, and without getting a statement from the WT or investigating it to that detail....who knows. Again, the point was to direct the discussion AWAY from anything that was too speculative and towards understanding the facts available. Its called rational thinking.

The same with rearranging words, your posts are like reading "Who's on First?"

You did not provide evidence of me rearranging words.

You are right about one thing though...this topic has become very boring besides defending myself from defamation.

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WT does NOT own "Military Stock"

by amccullough in

i thought this deserved its own thread...below is a reply a made to one of the previous threads ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24473&site=3 ) and i am anxious for someone to refute it...or maybe i'm right.. not quite...it seems everyone is muddling the details on this.. it seems that james mccann, who donated the stocks to the wt, invented an improved rotary engine called a rand cam engine.

his company, the rand cam engine corp is a privately held company, but he has donated 50% of the stock to the wt (but retained the voting proxy so the wt has no say in what is going on), he owns 34% and the balance is owned by several shareholders.

this company is half owner of another company called rand energy group.

amccullough

Nathan -

The WTS teaches that playing chess is "inappropriate" for Dubs.

I don't think I would go so far as to say that. In doing a search on articles on chess, all I could find were some poorly written articles that were critical of chess that the extreme JWs could use to say chess is bad (interestingly enough, I also found articles in favor of chess.)

I do agree with the essence of your post though. In that, if the WT is going to be critical of things as minor as chess and where people work, then they should be equally concerned with what they are doing with their money.

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Anyone here into vinyl?

by sleepy in

jw
friends

anyone here into vinyl?.

no this is nothing pervy.. i'm in a musical mood today and one of my passions is buying records.. (not collecting records as i actually buy them to listen to).

i still buy records on vinyl rather than cd when i can, the packaging is much better and if you have a good record player so is the sound.. it getting hard to find much nowadays in a lot of record stores.. theres an excellent record shop near me though that stocks a ton of the stuff.now wheres all my wages gone?

amccullough

Waiting, you are the devil incarnate!

I have about 1,000 records but have only ever used Technic 1200s (I'm a DJ.) As my children get a little older, I hope to upgrade my sound system drastically and get another turntable (maybe a Linn or something similar.)

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WT does NOT own "Military Stock"

by amccullough in

i thought this deserved its own thread...below is a reply a made to one of the previous threads ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24473&site=3 ) and i am anxious for someone to refute it...or maybe i'm right.. not quite...it seems everyone is muddling the details on this.. it seems that james mccann, who donated the stocks to the wt, invented an improved rotary engine called a rand cam engine.

his company, the rand cam engine corp is a privately held company, but he has donated 50% of the stock to the wt (but retained the voting proxy so the wt has no say in what is going on), he owns 34% and the balance is owned by several shareholders.

this company is half owner of another company called rand energy group.

amccullough

Madapostate -
Thank you for the verification! I was starting to think I was going insane in a parallel universe. You also presented the facts much clearer than I did.

Cheers!

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WT does NOT own "Military Stock"

by amccullough in

i thought this deserved its own thread...below is a reply a made to one of the previous threads ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=24473&site=3 ) and i am anxious for someone to refute it...or maybe i'm right.. not quite...it seems everyone is muddling the details on this.. it seems that james mccann, who donated the stocks to the wt, invented an improved rotary engine called a rand cam engine.

his company, the rand cam engine corp is a privately held company, but he has donated 50% of the stock to the wt (but retained the voting proxy so the wt has no say in what is going on), he owns 34% and the balance is owned by several shareholders.

this company is half owner of another company called rand energy group.

amccullough

Jwsons -

Amen, this shares holding matter should be inspired by ....,too?

Please tell me English is not your first language.

Deddaisy -
Since you are going to respond in detail, I might as well give you a little more so you can do it all in one shot.

"(with no voting proxy I believe they have no control)" Regarding this comment, you may want to go back and read my FIRST COMMENT in this thread

Your first comment was

And the "voting" thing sounds like advice from a lawyer, just in case something like this happened. (It became public.)

Well, sure, if you are a conspiracy theorist and that is what you want to believe. Since neither of us have talked to Mr. McCann, it's all speculation as to why he retained the voting proxy. My GUESS would be that since he was donating the stock, he figured the WT had no interest in actually running his company for him and he probably wanted the ability to control it himself.

Isn't that what they always do when their hands are caught in the cookie jar? (UN) This would certainly just make it alright wouldn't it? So I guess if I had an illegitimate child, if I "just got rid of it," everything would go away and everything would be fine....

I see no correlation with your analogy and this situation. What do you propose the WT do with the stocks besides get rid of them? Perhaps notify the press that someone gave them stocks and then made a deal with another company to start a seperate company and that seperate company made products for the military? Should they shut the doors because of this military connection? I think getting rid of them by donating them back is the reasonable request.