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France & Germany Take the Same Stance

by MrMoe in

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http://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html

france, germany stand firm on iraq.

wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).

amac

We might as well argue about the trinity while we are at it.

My closing comment on the topic is, if you are going to support this war, I sure hope you are ready and willing to get off your ass and go help fight it. Because I would hate to think that you (and I don't mean anyone specifically) are supporting a war that is going to send someone else's son off to kill someone else's family so you can keep your freedoms. If you are not in that position to help, then it is my opinion that you should keep your trap shut over expediting the deaths of others.

Rant over.

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The thing I love about America the most is...

by dolphman in

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i won't get executed for leaving it.

in other words, it's not like n.korea... http://www.msnbc.com/news/863322.asp?0cv=cb20.

but i guess if we're to believe the saddam lovers and communist/socialist and honda prius driving folks here then america is much, much worse than i think it is..... .

amac

...people who post pics of themselves in their profile with one eyebrow raised, that's what I love about good ole USA!

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How Do You Feel About President Bush?

by minimus in

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i like him, but he makes me a little nervous.

amac

He is a monkey disguised as a human.

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France & Germany Take the Same Stance

by MrMoe in

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http://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html

france, germany stand firm on iraq.

wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).

amac

Sorry, I'm a little too slow to respond to make an exciting debate, but I'll give it a stab.

Perry wrote:

That is just utter bullshit. The entire world has agreed that Saddam is in material breach of 16 UN resolutions designed to increase world security. The final resolution (1441) warned IRAQ of the serious consequences of non-compliance.
Within the next few days, we will get the full story of Iraq's deception. Every day now more information is being declassified and released. The weapons inspectors will deliver their report shortly. And, Bush will address the US next Tuesday night.
People are disputing the morality of enforcing the UN resolutions, not whether or not the violations are real or not.
The only illogical conclusiuons here are the ficticous phobias you are regurgitating.

And how is my statement utter bullshit? Were you ever a JW? How long were you a JW? If so, I imagine you had the same convictions as most and you would have died for your religion because you were so sure it was right, correct? You had lots and lots of scriptures to back it up too! There's no way you could be wrong, right?

Well now you are no longer a JW. And instead of believing so firmly in your religion that you would die for it, you firmly believe this war should happen and other people should die for it. Sure hope you're not wrong again.

I firmly understand that Iraq has breached UN resolutions, I don't think that is debatable. I think the seriousness of these breaches is debatable and, of course, the morality of war as a consequence is debatable. But those are debates I am not interested in. I think it can be fairly proven that the UN has reasons to act against Iraq. However, it is the fact that there are OBVIOUS ulterior motives and double standards by the US (who seem to be spearheading this war) makes me want to stay completely clear of supporting it.

One thing I have learned as a JW is that this world is quite jacked up and there are always going to be win-lose situations.

By the way, what fictitious phobias am I regurgitating?

Edited by - amac on 24 January 2003 12:10:25

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France & Germany Take the Same Stance

by MrMoe in

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http://www.cnn.com/2003/world/meast/01/22/sproject.irq.schroeder.chirac/index.html

france, germany stand firm on iraq.

wednesday, january 22, 2003 posted: 12:20 pm est (1720 gmt).

amac

A question to all the ex-JWs on this thread...if you were dumb enough to fall for JW beliefs for how ever many years, how are you so sure that you are not being misled into backing this war that could result in the deaths of so many people? It amazes me how "patriotic" people can get to the point where they are backing a war and are willing to sacrifice the lives of many others based on information that could very well be tainted and their own illogical conclusions. Maybe I need to move to Switzerland.

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Getting over the "Imperfect Org" defe...

by confuzcious in

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hey guys,.

i was wondering if you have a response when you present stuff about pedo, un, rutherford, etc, and a jw says, "well they are imperfect people.. the last respons i got was, only jesus was ever the perfect channel of god - which of course i agree.. but it's like if you ever bring up anything about anything, the stock response is, "we'll it's an imperfect organization.... your response???.

amac

ah hahahahahahahahaha

It is completely obvious that you are either a JW that is trying to gain a little credibilty by claiming to be an unbiased outsider or a regular old troll who just like to stir things up. No need to respond, just wanted you to know that it is obvious.

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Question for SwordOfJah and other real JWs

by Realist in

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i have a request.. could you perhaps state all the real facts that support the idea of the gb being inspired by god?.

i am not talking about feelings, faith etc.

but of real proveable fact...things that would be accepted in a court or that would survive scientific testing.

amac

SOJ,

Thank you for replying...here is my response:

Example one: Does the Bible differentiate between Primary and Secondary components in blood? Obviously not. But the GB DOES. If you use Primary, you are disassociated, if you use secondary, you are OK. This is a RULE set by the GB not found in the scriptures. Since it is not found in the scriptures about using components of blood, don't you agree that it should be a conscience matter? And the fact that it isn't a conscience matter shows that the society does set rules outside of Biblical laws. You must follow the rules or get the boot.

Example two: I am aware of the Bible principles that JWs use to back up DFing. However, there are no scriptures to show that all servants of Jehovah should rely on a group of men to tell them who is eligible for association and who is not. The scriptures portray it as a personal decision, or else they would read something similar to "do not eat or drink with anyone we say not to." Another related question...do you think DFing is used as a form of discipline (if so, is that Christ like?) or a form of cleansing the cong?

Example Three: If you were to do a WT CD search on apostate literature, do you think you find as laid back of a stance on it as you have? Obviously not, and there are many, many, in fact more than not, elders who will go strictly by the WT and not hesitate to correct you or others and DF you if you are not "repentant." I know someone who was DFed for just that, even though he spoke of his beliefs to no one but his wife who ratted him out.

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Question for SwordOfJah and other real JWs

by Realist in

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i have a request.. could you perhaps state all the real facts that support the idea of the gb being inspired by god?.

i am not talking about feelings, faith etc.

but of real proveable fact...things that would be accepted in a court or that would survive scientific testing.

amac

SOJ,

Thank you for your posts explaining your personal convictions. I commend you on the following quote "I do not follow the GB, I read their counsel, I apply some of their suggestions, I study their publications, but at the end of the day I follow Jehovah God..."

However, I have heard this from many fellow JWs and even though it may be what they think they are doing, in actuality, it is not. The reason being is that the GB DOES NOT ALLOW this. You are required to follow them, or else you are disfellowshipped. For instance, if you make a conscience decision that primary components of blood are acceptable for transfusions, just as the GB approved secondary components are, you will be involuntary disassociated for not following the GB's guidelines. Or if you make a personal decision on who you should associate with and who is repentful and not repentful (i.e. associate with a DF person that you feel has repented) you will be DFed yourself for not following the GB's judgement. Or if you decide that you will read literature from "apostates" because you know you have the truth and it will not be dislodged with lies, you can be DFed (if the elders find out and you don't respond correctly to their direction.) Sorry for carrying on, but these are some issues I would have trouble reconciling and I am curious if you are able to.

I hope to hear back from you.

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I am sitting next to a pedophile!

by BeelzeDub in

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a co-worker who sits across the isle from me was recently arrested for molesting a 10 year old girl.

my employer has let him come back to work since he has not been convicted yet.

the rest of the staff were notified by management to not talk to this guy about anything non work related.. it is really going to be hard not so say something to this slug.. what would you do if you had to sit next to a pedophile at work?

amac

Yes, Aroarer, you are absolutely right! Every single person that has ever had a criminal case brought against them has been guilty. Forget all the innocent until proven guilty crap! If someone thinks he's a pedo than he MUST be!

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I am sitting next to a pedophile!

by BeelzeDub in

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a co-worker who sits across the isle from me was recently arrested for molesting a 10 year old girl.

my employer has let him come back to work since he has not been convicted yet.

the rest of the staff were notified by management to not talk to this guy about anything non work related.. it is really going to be hard not so say something to this slug.. what would you do if you had to sit next to a pedophile at work?

amac

Personally, I would refrain from any judgement of the person until a court conviction was made or I was made aware of intimate details.

Mystla, that is a perplexing situation to be in. However, the congregation was right, according to their belief in the scriptures, in not casting judgement on the man. I'm not sure how I would handle working or knowing of someone that was a convicted molester, I would probably be civil but aggressively avoid the person.