I was thinking along those lines too Mike. He has been awfully quiet these past few days. You raised some very good questions and observations. It would be somewhat interesting to hear what he has to say.
Tor
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listing of authorities and their date for the fall of Jerusalem
by M.J. insorry if this has been posted before.
i came across it and thought it was worth pointing out: http://members.tripod.com/sosoutreach/wts/607.html.
(edited) the annoying popup caused me to cut and paste the table from the page, rather than embed it: the narrative before and after is good too so you might want to check it out the original page.
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Who is the King of Apostates ?
by Genesis ini would say either ray franz, randall waters, danny hasgard (sorry for the bad spelling dude) or satan.
what is your opinion on that ?
joff
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There have been so many who have contributed over the years to making the truth be known about the WTS.
- Carl Olof Jonsson ;
- Sign of the Last Days ;- When?
- Gentile Times Reconsidered!
- William Schnell (author: Thirty Years a Watchtower Slave: The Confessions of a Converted Jehovah's Witness )
- Kent Steinhaug (website owner: The Watchtower Observer - website the WTS fought ;to remove)
- Farkel (amazing ability to cut through the crap and get to the bottom of things)
- Jan H (another ;great researcher in the early days) ;
- Alan F (another ;great researcher in the early days)
- Jan G (Recovery focussed website exposing WT lies)
- Franz ;
- Jean Eason ;
- A Jehovah's Witness finds the truth ;
- Diane Wilson ;
- Awakening of a Jehovah's Witness
- Edmund Gruss ;
- The 4 Presidents of the Watch Tower Society ;
- Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Claims, Prophesies...
- David Reed (author of several books exposing the WTS lies)
- Jehovah's Witnesses: Answered Verse by Verse
- Mormons: Answered Verse by Verse ;
- Answering Jehovah's Witnesses: Subject by Subject ;
- Blood on the Altar: Confessions of a Jehovah's Witness Minister ;
- Index of Watchtower Errors: 1879 To 1989 ;
- Jehovah-Talk: The Mind-Control Language of Jehovah's Witnesses
- How to Rescue Your Loved One from the Watchtower ;
- Blood on the Altar: Confessions of a Jehovah's Witness Minister ;
- Brian McGlothin ;
- Have You Seen My Mother?
- Robert M. Bowman Jr. ;
- Robert M. Bowman
- Lee Elder (website: http://www.ajwrb.org/index.shtml)
- Quotes: (another great website - so great the WTS fought him to take it down - now found at amny sites around the world)
- Randy Watters ;
- (website: http://www.freeminds.org/)
- Refuting Jehovah's Witnesses
- Understanding Mind Control Among Jehovah's Witnesses
- The Truth Will Set You Free
- The Governing Body's Famous Sayings of the 80's
- Wilbur Lingle ;
- James W. Sire ;
- John Ankerberg ;
- Joe Hewitt
- Ian Brown ;
- Lorri MacGregor ;
- Anne Sanderson
- M. James Penton ;
- JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND THE THIRD REICH - Sectarian Politics Under Persecution ;
- Apocalypes Delayed
- Edmund Gruss ;& Leonard Chretien ;
- Jehovah's Witnesses: Their Monuments To False Prophecy ; ; ;
- Ron Rhodes ;
Sexual Abuse
- Vicki Boer (survivor who took the WTS to court for a landmark case)
- Berri Girls (survivors who appeared ;in a documentary) ;
- Erika (survivor who appeared ;in a documentary)
- Donald D’Haene ;(survivor, author: Father's Touch + short movie)
- Bill Bowen (whistleblower)
- Barbara Anderson ; (whistleblower)
- Kimberlee Norris ;(lawyer fighting for victims)
- many many survivors who have posted their stories here in the hopes that it will help others
The reality is that no one person is ever going to bring down the WTS. Every person, EVERY single one that speaks out to tell the real truth about the WTS is a part of the process of spreading real thuth - not the WTS' brand of it.
When we think of most of the great changes that occur in society it is almpst always the drip drip drip that finally erodes the foundation of the structure. Each one builds on what has come before.
In the early days people like Jonsson, AlanF, Farkel, Jan H, and many others started the great work of dissecting WT doctrine. They did their job well because it is out there, in bookstores, on the internet, in many libraries around the world.
Then I think the focus changed to rescue and deprogramming. Randy, Reed Jan G, focussed on rescuing people from the WTS. Getting people "out" and helping them was important. Through this much info concerning mind control, manipulation, cults laid the basics for what we understand now about how the WTS recruits and maintains control over the membership.
After that I think we have come to the time of "issues"
- sexual abuse,
- blood,
- shunning,
- custody,
- lack of love
and another group of issues surrounding the WTS hypocracy ;
- UN
- RandCam
- PhillipMorris
- Mexico/Malawi
- Hitler
- Rutherford, Russell, and ;some new info coming in about other presidents
- homosexuality, pedophilia and alcoholism ;in Bethel
I think it will be interesting to see how all this information is impacting the WTS. We know membership is going down. New recruits are harder to get in many countries. And that means less $$$$. And with a rash of new court cases soon to come it should be interesting times.
- Carl Olof Jonsson ;
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listing of authorities and their date for the fall of Jerusalem
by M.J. insorry if this has been posted before.
i came across it and thought it was worth pointing out: http://members.tripod.com/sosoutreach/wts/607.html.
(edited) the annoying popup caused me to cut and paste the table from the page, rather than embed it: the narrative before and after is good too so you might want to check it out the original page.
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I am very happy to hear that the acupunturist therapy is going well. Some seem to get real benefits from it. I tried it a few years ago for a completely different reason and it did not help me at all. I imagine you get headaches quite frequently as well as most do from the whiplash effect.
Yes, Scholar is like a broken record but sometimes still mildly entertaining.
Have a great day,
Tor
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listing of authorities and their date for the fall of Jerusalem
by M.J. insorry if this has been posted before.
i came across it and thought it was worth pointing out: http://members.tripod.com/sosoutreach/wts/607.html.
(edited) the annoying popup caused me to cut and paste the table from the page, rather than embed it: the narrative before and after is good too so you might want to check it out the original page.
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I didnt realize you were sick Marjorie. May I ask what you are recuperating from? I hope things are going well for you.
Tor
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2005 CD ROM
by stillajwexelder infinally got my copy - so first priority is to burn copies for blondie, alanf and garybuss - i just hope they realize this year they have the annoyance of the days text popping up every time they use it
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Is anyone going to make it available for download like last year.
it's available for download???link please!!!
luv, jojo
If you are extremely lucky you might be able to find someone who has that capability.
Tor
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CANADA HUGHES BLOOD SUIT GOES TO COURT
by DannyHaszard indad given ok to sue over death
calgary sun, canada - 19 minutes ago .
a judge's ruling has cleared the way for a wrongful death lawsuit filed on behalf of a teenaged jehovah's witness who lost her fight with leukemia.
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Good work,Keep us posted!
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2005 CD ROM
by stillajwexelder infinally got my copy - so first priority is to burn copies for blondie, alanf and garybuss - i just hope they realize this year they have the annoyance of the days text popping up every time they use it
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Is anyone going to make it available for download like last year.
Thanks,
Tor
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Who are you enigmatoo?
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Awesome, but I think the lawyer could have did much better in pinning the guy down. Granted he is unfamilair with the JWs
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VHS of Elder lying in court...need help getting on net
by alamb ini have the video, finally, of the city overseer perjuring himself.
in it, he denies wt publications, refuses to read wt articles and quotes claiming they come from "apostate" websites, etc.
it is about 10 minutes long.
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Was the video split up into 4 parts as was talked about. It sounded like their was another case going to be heard at the end but it sounded like maybe it might convene at another time as there was not a resolve to the issue.
Tor