TerrY: Here is an honest question to ponder. If somebody holds a gun to your head and asks you to do something; are you being presented with an actual choice?
Me: Yes - if you don't understand that you don't understand freedom and i sure as hell don't want you watching my back for anything at all - that position does not understand choice - it wants something for nothing - re-read job - peace
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A PUZZLING QUESTION...????...????...????
by Terry inthe "sacred secret" of god that creation was yearing to glimpse for so long was jehovah's plan of salvation and righteous government rescue operation.. yet, pagans, heathens and various crackpot primitives all came up with the same plan long before jehovah's was "revealed".
something smells bad about this!!.
i find it puzzling.. child sacrifice to appease wrathful deities is a disgusting solution to crop failure.
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A PUZZLING QUESTION...????...????...????
by Terry inthe "sacred secret" of god that creation was yearing to glimpse for so long was jehovah's plan of salvation and righteous government rescue operation.. yet, pagans, heathens and various crackpot primitives all came up with the same plan long before jehovah's was "revealed".
something smells bad about this!!.
i find it puzzling.. child sacrifice to appease wrathful deities is a disgusting solution to crop failure.
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seesthesky
do u see? - true freedom lies in fearlessness but you cannot experience this if you have nothing to fear(such as death, pain, etc.)- good luck
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A PUZZLING QUESTION...????...????...????
by Terry inthe "sacred secret" of god that creation was yearing to glimpse for so long was jehovah's plan of salvation and righteous government rescue operation.. yet, pagans, heathens and various crackpot primitives all came up with the same plan long before jehovah's was "revealed".
something smells bad about this!!.
i find it puzzling.. child sacrifice to appease wrathful deities is a disgusting solution to crop failure.
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seesthesky
yes - i have balls - it has actually happened to me and i told the person that i would rather die than sucumb to his demands - i expected to die but did not but if i had then at least i excercised my freedom - you see, freedom takes courage and, if it didn't, i do not think it would be freedom - can you grasp this?
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A PUZZLING QUESTION...????...????...????
by Terry inthe "sacred secret" of god that creation was yearing to glimpse for so long was jehovah's plan of salvation and righteous government rescue operation.. yet, pagans, heathens and various crackpot primitives all came up with the same plan long before jehovah's was "revealed".
something smells bad about this!!.
i find it puzzling.. child sacrifice to appease wrathful deities is a disgusting solution to crop failure.
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seesthesky
free will:
some of you seem to advocate the position that free will requires no consequences and/or eternal life - i think, however, that it means the ability to choose one course over another in spite of the consequences - that part of it - the "in spite of the consequences" - makes the action chosen more free in my mind because you get to say "screw you" to whomever holds the gun at your head and prove to that person that he/she or it has no power over your choice - -
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A PUZZLING QUESTION...????...????...????
by Terry inthe "sacred secret" of god that creation was yearing to glimpse for so long was jehovah's plan of salvation and righteous government rescue operation.. yet, pagans, heathens and various crackpot primitives all came up with the same plan long before jehovah's was "revealed".
something smells bad about this!!.
i find it puzzling.. child sacrifice to appease wrathful deities is a disgusting solution to crop failure.
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Aztecs had Truth?
by skeeter1 injw relative watched history channel show on aztecs.
aztecs predict world will end in 2012.. my question is, "if the aztecs had the truth, shouldn't we be playing violent organized sports and sacrificing virgins?".
anyway..... please help me with a reply to my overzealous jw relative who badly wants the end of the world...or to prove to me that it's near so i get my tail back to the kh.. skeeter.
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seesthesky
"If you read the old testement the Israelites were pretty bad also plundering and rapping."
Was is "Gangsta" rap? -
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A PUZZLING QUESTION...????...????...????
by Terry inthe "sacred secret" of god that creation was yearing to glimpse for so long was jehovah's plan of salvation and righteous government rescue operation.. yet, pagans, heathens and various crackpot primitives all came up with the same plan long before jehovah's was "revealed".
something smells bad about this!!.
i find it puzzling.. child sacrifice to appease wrathful deities is a disgusting solution to crop failure.
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seesthesky
"Child sacrifice to appease wrathful deities is a disgusting solution to crop failure. But, when Jehovah proposes child sacrifice (His own son) to save mankind to appease (gulp!) HIMSELF; isn't this the same plan?"
It is not the same.
First, the Almighty did not sacrifice his son so some crops would grow.
Second, when humans sacrifice other humans they cannot raise them from the dead - this fact, as you apparently understand, changes the meaning of the sacrifice - as someone here (perhaps you) noted, raising the sacrifice from the dead seems to lessen the gravity of the sacrifice - in my mind, however, I think YHWH's ability to give life means that something other than the loss of his son was at stake in the sacrifice - i think what was at stake was similar to what was at stake in Job's case -
in the case of Job, YHWH had faith in Job, that Job would never curse him but, because YHWH allows us to live freely - to make ultimate choices with how we choose to live - YHWH subjected himself to potential failure - Job could have cursed YHWH which would have meant that YHWH erred - with respect to his son, YHWH again put at risk his Godship, he believed in his son, that his son would "downgrade" himself to a human then as a human undergo his own torture and death on behalf of the very people who tortured and killed him - YHWH believed this but his son did not have to do what YHWH believed - he could have turned his back on his father and humanity - he did not -
Third, the sacrifice of Jesus was an inversion of human sacrifices to gods - when humans sacrifice each other to their gods they, the humans, stand as the inferior beings feeding themselves to superior beings - YHWH's sacrifice was the opposite - it was the Almighty, THE GOD, the most powerful and eternal consciousness and creator of all things, giving to inferior and defective beings his perfect son so as to provide a remedy for sin -
So, whether you believe in YHWH or not, the sacrifice of Jesus, as set forth in the Bible, is quite unlike humans sacrificing each other for good crops. -
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A Riddle - Somthing Mentioned in Genesis, but God did not create it!
by VM44 inhere is a riddle.
i am thinking of something that god did not create, but is mentioned in the book of genesis and also throughout the bible.. what could it be?.
--vm44.
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Faces to Names
by Peaches-n-Cream inhey all...
so many of you have given me a great big welcome to the board.
do any of you have pictures you wouldn't mind posting so i can match some faces to your name?
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peaches u look hot -
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I'd appreciate some insight on what my mother claims was said at assembly
by free2beme inokay, well my mother called this evening and was all emotional about her one day assembly.
i was shocked she brought it up, as we just do not mention the religion anymore, but lately little things keep getting said at her conventions and assemblies that seem to be making this line something she wants to cross more these days.
what she brought up, was something i had not heard mentioned on here and i wanted some insight from people who actually heard it or knew more about it.
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seesthesky
yer mom sounds smart as a sack of potatoes - she should take ginko