Posts by catchthis

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Are the Society planning a 'Pledge of Allegiance'? IT MAY BE TRUE!

by nicolaou in

i've just learned from a trusted contact at thewatchtower.org 'norris', that the society intend to put a resolution to the congregations shortly - though definately not at the 'special talk' meeting next month.. here's the scary bit.

this resolution needs to be responded to by all baptized jehovah's witnesses.

we have not been able to get hold of the wording but have been informed it is intended to provide the brotherhood with the opportunity to affirm their loyalty to jehovah and his organization.

catchthis

You know, if this topic was posted a few years ago, I would probably just dismiss it as highly speculative rumor. But with everything that has happened over the last year, including over the last few months, this *feels* like it could indeed happen. It fits perfectly with their agenda as of late.

The first thing that came to mind was to inform everyone related to you and close friends who may still be witnesses. Just mention this rumor in passing, but don't make it out like it WILL happen. Word it in a way where it sounds like only a cult would do such a thing - give them time to agree with you. Make them think that the Society would never do such a thing. When the time comes, and if this does turn out to be true, they will be shocked beyond belief. Then ask them if they plan on reaffirming their position with the Society, or if they believe it feels too cultish as you talked about earlier. Make them think about why the Society is doing this.

I'll be watching this thread with interest over the next few months.

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Think twice about eating chili at Wendy's!

by Bumble Bee in

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wendy's staff fingers counted as search continues for owner of digit in chili

24/03/2005 8:46:00 pm .

(ap) - a woman bit into a partial finger served in a bowl of chili at california a wendy's restaurant, leading authorities to a use a fingerprint database thursday to determine who lost the digit.. .

catchthis

In a week or two, the mods might want to change the thread title to:

"Guess who's suing now?"

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Isn't Nisan 14 supposed to be April 23rd?

by catchthis in

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sorry folks if i missed this somewhere before, but isn't nisan 14 supposed to line up with our current calendar on april 23rd?

i didn't go to the memorial last night so i do not know if they tried explaining this difference.

i always thought that nisan 14 was the date that they used to celebrate the memorial.

catchthis

I have gone back and calculated the dates that the JW's have held the memorial along with the Jewish dating and here is what I found. There is a definite 19 year cycle where the JW's do not follow the Nisan 14 date. 2005, 1986, 1967, etc. Even in these past years, JW's have referenced the Jewish dating system as is shown here for 1967:

*** w67 3/15 p. 163 You Are Invited ***
Since the day that took place, according to the Bible, was Nisan 14 on the ancient Jewish calendar, faithful Christians have endeavored to keep it on that specific day of the year and in the very way Jesus instructed. This year Nisan 14 corresponds to our March 25, after sundown.

So the question remains, are JW's following their own "jewish" calendar system or the actual one of the Jews? Because when they say that "Nisan 14 corresponds to...March 25, after sundown," they are not following the Jewish calendar.

It must be one of those pick-and-choose ideas they are so good at.

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Isn't Nisan 14 supposed to be April 23rd?

by catchthis in

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sorry folks if i missed this somewhere before, but isn't nisan 14 supposed to line up with our current calendar on april 23rd?

i didn't go to the memorial last night so i do not know if they tried explaining this difference.

i always thought that nisan 14 was the date that they used to celebrate the memorial.

catchthis

Regarding the Feb. 2005 KM, nevermind. I just found my wife's copy, and in all 8 pages not one reference is made to Nisan 14. This entire KM is basically dedicated to the memorial and the preaching work surrounding it. But not one mention on how March 24 was conceived.

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Isn't Nisan 14 supposed to be April 23rd?

by catchthis in

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sorry folks if i missed this somewhere before, but isn't nisan 14 supposed to line up with our current calendar on april 23rd?

i didn't go to the memorial last night so i do not know if they tried explaining this difference.

i always thought that nisan 14 was the date that they used to celebrate the memorial.

catchthis

the new moon was observed at 1110 AM on 10 March 2005 and will next be seen at 1132 PM on 8 April 2005. Apparently the Society has picked the new moon before the spring equinox to start their calander, which leads to their putative Nisan 14 on 24 March 2005.

It does indeed appear that they jumped the gun...

Does anyone have a copy of this year's KM that shows the date/time of the memorial? Usually, they make mention of Nisan 14 in the announcement - I was just wondering if they referenced Nisan 14 this year too.

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Michael Jackson at Memorial

by startingover in

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i just received an email that said mj attended the memorial in solvang last night.

he attended with his mom and dad and also his son.

this info was forwarded to me via 2 others but i saw the original email so i think it's probably true.

catchthis

With the media hounds following his every move, I doubt he attended the memorial. Or else we would have read or seen it by now on a news site.

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Isn't Nisan 14 supposed to be April 23rd?

by catchthis in

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sorry folks if i missed this somewhere before, but isn't nisan 14 supposed to line up with our current calendar on april 23rd?

i didn't go to the memorial last night so i do not know if they tried explaining this difference.

i always thought that nisan 14 was the date that they used to celebrate the memorial.

catchthis

So every so often the Passover and the Memorial (and Good Friday/Easter) will be about a month apart.

Nice explanation Blondie. But what concerns me is that the JW's are so paranoid about keeping the NISAN 14 date. They make no mention, that I can find, regarding the dating system that you explained. Ever since I was a kid, all I remember was Nisan 14 Nisan 14 Nisan 14. They were more concerned with keeping true to the original dating method that the Jews used back in Jesus' day, not how it evolved into what we use today.

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Isn't Nisan 14 supposed to be April 23rd?

by catchthis in

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sorry folks if i missed this somewhere before, but isn't nisan 14 supposed to line up with our current calendar on april 23rd?

i didn't go to the memorial last night so i do not know if they tried explaining this difference.

i always thought that nisan 14 was the date that they used to celebrate the memorial.

catchthis

According to the publications, I think something is a bit off....

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it-2 p. 268 Lord?s Evening Meal ***

How

Often Observed. According to Luke and Paul, when instituting the Memorial of his death Jesus said: "Keep doing this in remembrance of me." (Lu 22:19; 1Co 11:24) From this it is reasonable to understand that Jesus meant that his followers should celebrate the Lord?s Evening Meal annually, not more often. The Passover, observed in remembrance of Jehovah?s deliverance of Israel from Egyptian bondage in 1513 B.C.E., was commemorated only once a year, on the anniversary date of Nisan 14. The Memorial, also an anniversary, would appropriately be held only on Nisan 14.

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km 3/87 p. 1 Preparation for a Special Occasion ***

This occasion is properly celebrated every year on Nisan 14. In 1987 the Memorial of Christ?s death falls on Sunday, April 12. Are you making plans to be there?

*** This date mentioned above even lines up with the date converter

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rs p. 269 par. 2 Memorial (Lord?s Evening Meal) ***

Jehovah?s Witnesses observe the Memorial after sundown on Nisan 14, according to the reckoning of the Jewish calendar that was common in the first century. The Jewish day begins at sundown and extends until the following sundown. So Jesus died on the same Jewish calendar day that he instituted the Memorial. The beginning of the month of Nisan was the sunset after the new moon nearest the spring equinox became visible in Jerusalem. The Memorial date is 14 days thereafter. (Thus the date for the Memorial may not coincide with that of the Passover kept by modern-day Jews. Why not? The start of their calendar months is set to coincide with the astronomical new moon, not the visible new moon over Jerusalem, which may come 18 to 30 hours later. Also, most Jews today keep the Passover on Nisan 15, not on the 14th as did Jesus in harmony with what was stated in the Mosaic Law.)

Even if the JW's do not follow the Jewish dates as mentioned above, it would only be off by 18-30 hours.

Catch, scratching head

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Isn't Nisan 14 supposed to be April 23rd?

by catchthis in

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sorry folks if i missed this somewhere before, but isn't nisan 14 supposed to line up with our current calendar on april 23rd?

i didn't go to the memorial last night so i do not know if they tried explaining this difference.

i always thought that nisan 14 was the date that they used to celebrate the memorial.

catchthis

Sorry folks if I missed this somewhere before, but isn't Nisan 14 supposed to line up with our current calendar on April 23rd? I didn't go to the memorial last night so I do not know if they tried explaining this difference. I always thought that Nisan 14 was THE date that they used to celebrate the memorial. Or have I been out mentally too long now that I've forgotten the dates?? I know that Christendom had services last night, but wouldn't the JW's want to remain separate of their dates and remain true to their own?

http://www.hebcal.com/converter/ --- Just plug in April 23, 2005 and the converter will show you Nisan 14, and vice-versa.

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Does anyone know someone DF'd for Apostasy that ended up going back?

by confusedjw in

i've only heard of one and was wondering......

catchthis

I'm sure there are a few out there. Only for not taking their meds......

How about --- Someone who was df'd for loose conduct, found out the truth about the truth while df'd and now is reinstated again for family reasons, but still shares their opinions about the WTS privately? I think this person will not last that long. I give them 5 years at the most.