the pertinent information dealt with confirmation that a ngo by the name of the watchtower bible and tract society of new york , inc. (watchtower) held an ?associated ngo?
this may not seem as an important issue to the united nations.
1) a photocopy of the original 1991 letter from the watchtower to the dpi requesting an application form for ?associate ngo?
If the UN and the WTS will not release the original forms, why not try for the next best thing? How about trying to contact other NGO's that signed up around the same year and that still have current ties to the DPI? They don't need to send full copies of their registration, just blacked out versions of them if they want to.
Was the UN ever asked if they had any original blank applications they could give out from 1991 or 2001? Those might show the requirements also in black and white.
did our letter-writing campaign work?
http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/watchtower.pdf.
here are some lovely instructions drafted by syn, and hosted by valis, on how to navigate to the site yourself.. http://www.sassquatch.com/syn/un_ngo_letter/.
The Society should take this opportunity to expose the UN for the lying bast***s that they are. Obviously, the Society has made their stand by saying that the language was changed in the renewal forms, thereby causing themselves to disassociate from the DPI. I firmly believe that the WTS should show their original application forms on jw-media.org and then compare them to the latest "wording" of the newer forms from the UN. It would be so easy for them to PROVE once and for all that the UN is persecuting them in an official manner. It would also resolve any and all questions from the R&F regarding this issue and put it to rest.
What am I thinking?? **wake up...slaps myself upside the head**
i haven't been to a meeting since last thanksgiving weekend.
not one elder has inquired about me coming to the meetings.
no calls, no inquiries.
I haven't been to a meeting since last Thanksgiving weekend. Not one elder has inquired about me coming to the meetings. No calls, no inquiries. I was previously on the chopping block, so to speak, and am wondering from any current or ex-elders if this is normal. Some here on the board know me. You know my situation. Honestly, I should have been disfellowshipped by now if anything was able to stick.
It kind of blows my mind that I haven't been contacted yet by the elders. I know that some elders are preoccupied with personal matters and such, but what gives? Is this normal? Apostacy could have been applied to my case. But it was never pursued. PM me if you think you know what I am talking about.
Catchthis
the following article appeared in the jan. 25, 2004 sunday visitor.
please read and add your comments.. "sins of the flesh: consenting adults".
"the libertarian argument that 'what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults is no one else's business'--a line used to justify everything from sodomy to pornography to artificial contraception--is being put to the test in a courtroom in the german capital of berlin.. "it seems that armin meiwes, 42, a computer geek from rotenburg, had a fantasy for cannibalism.
Yes it should....but only if an excellent bottle of Chianti is available.
part 4 - who really introduced the sword of war?
peace is supposed to be a central feature of watchtower theology ?
a peaceful paradise earth ?
You know, I never thought much about that point before - the spinning sword protecting the tree. Thanks for bringing that out.
( j w?s self appointed evil slave class, the self anointed ).the only people to ever do this on earth.
l. then is finished the mystery of god page 292 quote:
3rd trumpet blown 1924
Hoo boy. First class all the way.
see "serena's next game.
sidelined by knee surgery, the tennis champ talks about life off the court--including her acting career.".
and check out sister venus as she models serena's designs!
Good for them. Make the Society squirm a little. I just love reading about their "preaching" and then seeing a picture of them waving the American flag around. I still do not know why the Society hasn't prepared an article yet alluding to them to set things straight.
if you are one of these people please pm me.
or if you know how to contact them, please pm me.
they are all either da'd or df'd now.
If you are one of these people please PM me. Or if you know how to contact them, please PM me. They are all either da'd or df'd now.
Nathan Walterhouse
Chelsea Schmidke(maiden name if now married)
Kimera Jenson(maiden name if now married) - father owns Bob Jenson Air Conditioning in El Cajon, CA.
Stacy Peterson(maiden name if now married)
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Spot on as usual Blondie. I notice that in all of these types of articles, not once does the Society focus on the real issue. They always concentrate on US making it through the GT and then on into the paradise. It is always about the reward, not the real issue. Does it really matter if we make it into the paradise? Is that what God wants?
Ask yourself, what is the greater issue at hand here? The primary issue that ALL WITNESSES are taught? Is it not Jehovah's Universal Sovereignty being made known? If you were to ask any witness what they look forward to regarding the end of the system, each and every one of them will tell you something that has to do with the paradise. The reason is because they are looking out for Number 1. It's what they get out of it - What will God do for me? But once you remind them about Jah's sovereignty issue they will backpeddle and say, oh yeah, that's right, that is much more important.
Makes me disgusted about how all witnesses serve the organization simply for the reward, not for the real issue which they are taught.
i watched a documentary the other day entitled, devil's playground.
it centered around a few amish youths when they reached the age of 16. once all amish youths reach this age of maturity, according to their church doctrine, they are let loose for an indefinite period of time to experience the world.
this time period, called rumspringa, can last from just a few months to several years.
I watched a documentary the other day entitled, Devil's Playground. It centered around a few Amish youths when they reached the age of 16. Once all Amish youths reach this age of maturity, according to their church doctrine, they are let loose for an indefinite period of time to experience the world. This time period, called Rumspringa, can last from just a few months to several years. During this span of time, some Amish youths go all out and experiement with drugs, alcohol, sex, etc. The parents do not interfere with this rite of passage, and some still allow their children to live at home during this rite. As is shown in the film, most parents allow their legally underage children to host massive parties on their property during which copius amounts of alcohol is consumed. Some of these parties can have as many as 1,500 kids come in from states all over.
Something that I was unaware of was that children CANNOT be baptized into the church prior to their 16th birthday. This is also the primary reason for the church's break from Europe centuries ago. The Amish believe that infant baptism is wrong. Only an older, mature person can make a choice to belong to the church. Other things that they believe in include - no wedding rings(the men grow a beard to display that they are married), no official churches to congregate in(they meet in each other's homes every other week on Sundays), and NO centralized Amish "organization," to name just a few.
As we all know, most jw kids will end up leading a double life to please their parents and also to partake in the normal growing up period of their teens. I found it quite interesting that even though Amish parents realize what their children are doing once they begin rumspringa, they do not cast them out or disown them for going against the basic tenets of the church. But rather, they understand that they need to get this out of their system and will make the right choice later on. In the film, most of the teens knew that what they were doing was wrong and that they instinctively knew deep down that they would go to hell if they kept up with their debauchery. The film also states that the church has a 90% retention rate among their children. I wish that the Society would publish what the current rate of retention is within the organization today among youths. I imagine it is not quite as high.
To anyone who hasn't seen this documentary, I would recommend it. It even touches on shunning within the church and when the shunning takes place. I will not divulge anything more on that topic. Looking back though, the one fundamental teaching of their church that I found most mind blowing was allowing their children to experience the "world," or going "English," as they put it. I feel that if the witnesses were to do the same thing with their children, there would not be such a hemorage of youth in the organization today. As it is, jw youths have to hide everything they do which only increases the guilt placed on their consciences. If they were allowed to experience the world in a normal way as other young people do, they would probably see the error of their way and return to the faith. But no. Instead, they are prodded to get baptized at the earliest age possible, suppress their natural urges and desires, and to maintain perfect harmony within the organization selling as many books and magazines as possible.
One more item....during courtship, the two courting are allowed to share a room overnight. Try finding a set of jw parents which will allow THAT to happen.
