why won't they (the wbt$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders?
will they?..especially after the arc for eg?
it seems that with all the bad press and now the arc among other institutions that are exposing the wbt$ for a haven for paedophiles, why hasn't the wbt$ simply changed it's insane policy?.
marvin: The documents released to the Royal Commission has a change. Now elders are instructed to tell parents that so-and-so is a "predator" and for that reason they should not let their children associate with the individual.
But does not the WTS retain the right to determine who is a "predator" or not? Do they not say that not everyone who is a child sex abuser is a "predator"?
I question the WTS' ability or capacity to determine who is a predator or not.
why won't they (the wbt$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders?
will they?..especially after the arc for eg?
it seems that with all the bad press and now the arc among other institutions that are exposing the wbt$ for a haven for paedophiles, why hasn't the wbt$ simply changed it's insane policy?.
punk: I just wonder if it's only we ex-JJWs that are interested in the ARC though.
It may seem like that, at least in the public eye.
However, I am pretty confident that organizations like the Catholic Church are keeping a close eye on these proceedings. What happens with these hearings will impact other organizations besides the JWs. Not only that, but "worldy" people in the legal profession will be watching closely.
Give it time. The results of this hearing may have global impact yet. The WTS is, after all, a global organization. And, with the availiblity of information so easily accessible, things can move quite rapidly in our cyber based world. It isn't 1918 anymore where court transcripts and such take so long to get into the public domain - it happens instantly now.
earlier this morning the royal commission website stated:.
"the royal commissions public hearing into the jehovahs witnesses will recommence in sydney on friday 14 august 2015 at 11:00am.. it is anticipated that the hearing will hear from one witness, mr geoffrey jackson, a member of the governing body of jehovahs witnesses.
"now that has been changed.
DataDog: 1) Complete honesty by Jackson.
Impossible. Jackson has no truth to tell. His "truth" is built on lies - he cannot be honest because he does not have the capacity to do so.
2) A frustrated and thoroughly indignant/bat-shit crazy rant by Jackson that is mirrored on the Internet for all eternity! I want it broadcast through space! I want an alien civilization to do a face-palm when they watch it.
Oh yeah. I would love to see that. A couple of the other WTS goons almost lost it when the women were questioning them. The anger and frustration over having to answer to women was so evident.
Jackson has been described as a "nice", amicable guy and it may very well be that his nice personality is a front for an entirely different kind of character. I have met many "nice" people who turn into snakes the moment they are challenged. Sometimes those nice people are very angry people under their smiles.
jw07: Screw the court session. For Geoffrey Jackson they should turn the questioning session into a JW style 'judicial committee' and lock him in a room with Justice McClellan, Justice Jennifer Coate, and Angus Stewart.
Perfect. And they could bring in every single victim that has come forward so far to give testimony against him. Maybe the victims could all come in at once and Jackson could see what 1800+ people look like - let them all face him at the same time.
I, too, would pay to see that.
why won't they (the wbt$ head honchos), simply change policy on sex offenders?
will they?..especially after the arc for eg?
it seems that with all the bad press and now the arc among other institutions that are exposing the wbt$ for a haven for paedophiles, why hasn't the wbt$ simply changed it's insane policy?.
done4good: 2. Once the two witness rule changes, it provides the slippery slope that would cause the whole judicial process the organization uses to fall apart.
Exactly. The entire judicial system of the JWs is flawed to the core. They brag about it as though they are "keeping their organization clean" with little regard for how the process abuses human rghts.
The victims have the status of "witness' and nothing more than that. The victim's only role is to find the accused guilty. Victims are nothing more than that - just a witness to the 'sin'.
The WTS goons are ill equipped to collect evidence and pass judgement upon people that they think they have control over. The entire judicial system should fall apart - it is a system that fosters abuse and disregards human rights. It should be exposed for what it is - a patriarchal system of oppression and control that has no place in civilized society.
I am extremely interested in the outcome of this hearing because of the potential impact that it could have on similar systems of internal judicial processes that are practiced in many religions. The JWs claim, after all, that their judicial system is based upon Judaic law. This hearing may put a chink in not only the JW religion, but also other religions that use old outdated bible "laws" to control and abuse their members.
Even though this hearing is not meant to be a theological debate, it cannot help but be one when the WTS claims divine authority for bible based law.
And, once the two witness rule gets trashed, and the WTS judicial sytem along with it, the next "law" to fall will be the blood law. That will will fall easily due to the efforts of many people who have already shown it to be non-biblical. And without the judicial system, the WTS loses control over their members in making those all important life decisions concerning blood.
I am thrilled with the Royal Commission. I never thought that in my lifetime I would see "Jehovah's representative" have to appear at a public hearing to justify the WTS' abusive policies to the rest of the world.
this is a youtube uploaded in 2009 that has a talk about the governing body given to jws.. "governing body".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwjm5d9m1lm&index=5&list=pl2vkk1cclbi8xcdxgygijzu9_w6nzx8mt.
the speaker tells the jws that the gb takes such good responsible care of all of them.. the speaker also speaks of a personal experience with bro.
This is a youtube uploaded in 2009 that has a talk about the Governing Body given to JWs.
"Governing Body"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwjM5D9M1lM&index=5&list=PL2Vkk1cClbi8XCdxgYGIjZU9_W6NZx8mT
The speaker tells the JWs that the GB takes such good responsible care of all of them.
The speaker also speaks of a personal experience with Bro. Sidlick (?).
Towards the end of the video, the speaker explains the circumstances of a shepherding call he was going to do with some brothers but he never reveals the details of what it was about. Obviously, it had to do with a "woman problem" because Bro. Sidlick tells him his research into his shepherding call was no good:
"The brothers don't need this...just the way the women show up to work nowadays is sexual harrassment, you don't need to show the brothers this! Just the way they show up to work nowadays is sexual harrassment...!" (sic)
So, the speaker threw all his research into the garbage. It was so simple - it was the woman's fault!
yes or no.......what say you?.
i'll start - no!.
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punk: So, just what is supposed to be wrong with his Dad?
Nobody has said, but we know he is old. He is old and sick. Just like a whole lot of other people. It is called "life" and life hands us shit to deal with sometimes.
I have zero compassion for Jackson's father being sick. Zero. All I have to do is think of all the exJWs who have been denied the right to be with their parents while they are sick or to attend the funerals of family members, and all of my compassion flies out the window.
Karma is a bitch.
what question would you ask geoffrey jackson, as a member of the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, to answer?
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jw leaks.
I would like Jackson to explain to the RC exactly what "pornea" actually is. I am not clear on that.
I would also like Jackson to explain why having sex with "someone other than your wife" is considered "adultery" but having sex with a child is not considered "someone other than your wife". Why are child abusers not disfellowshipped for adultery?
pray for brother jackson of the governing body!.
in todays news from australia it appears that, despite his previous declination to appear when invited, justice mcclellan from the australian royal commission on child sex abuse will officially summon brother geoffrey jackson to the stand after all.. ..... the commission was due to conclude its hearings into the jehovahs witnesses on wednesday but justice mcclellan said he will now call geoffrey jackson, a senior member of the churchs governing body in new york who is currently in australia, to appear next week.. .
source.
DD - Secular authorities are demonic?? WOW! I guess Jeehoober F'd up when he set up the Superior Authorities to administer justice.
Yup. It was in Part 1 of Day 7 about 0:40:40 - Stewart was asking Toole about Acts 5:29 and Toole said that verse applied to Satans and his demons.
However, Toole went on to expound on Romans 13, on how all Christiians are to obey secular authority and all the bad things that will happen to them if they don't. I hope Toole tells Jackson all that.
hi guys.
i actually have had dealings with rod and found him to be a very reasonable and "non-robotic" man in the past.. i know it should not surprise me, but i was disappointed to hear his lies and half-truths.. they know their stuff and are not easily led, but he tried to lead the royal commission to believe that 2 people could be involved in investigating a claim - which is wrong.. his lack of memory on what parts of the judicial process are biblical - hello - none are.
there are no scriptures that backup the use of 3 men, a body of elders, cutting people off from family and friends, restrictions, etc.. he also lied about the gb being involved in policy creation and changes.. his statement that in all cases, elders are told to inform parents that they can go to the authorities and get the full support of the congregation is not verifiable.
vidiot: At this point in his life, that's probably the only way he knows how to speak in front of a group.
Not only that, the Bibble is the only thing that he knows anything about. That is all he has to speak about.
What else would he have read except the WT's interpetation of Bibble verses? And Spinks has only had that put inside of him. He is empty of anything else. He has nothing else to offer.
It is rather pathetic. The world is full of wonderful literature, science and history - so much knowledge and billions of books to read. And his world is confined to one old book that came out of the Middle East a long time ago. That's it. The Bibble. And WT rules. Nothing else.
pray for brother jackson of the governing body!.
in todays news from australia it appears that, despite his previous declination to appear when invited, justice mcclellan from the australian royal commission on child sex abuse will officially summon brother geoffrey jackson to the stand after all.. ..... the commission was due to conclude its hearings into the jehovahs witnesses on wednesday but justice mcclellan said he will now call geoffrey jackson, a senior member of the churchs governing body in new york who is currently in australia, to appear next week.. .
source.
Vidiot: What are the odds that at least some of those guys a few steps down the ladder from Jackson are actually feeling a bit releived, now?
And the rest of them are getting spooked by the demons around every corner. They are probably doing a purge at the Australian Branch right now and burning anything that could possibly have Satan smell on it. They are under attack, you know. Toole said so - he said that the attack by secular authorities actually meant an attack from Satan and his demons.
Their theocratic warfare isn't working - it must be those damn demons at work.
