Posts by OrphanCrow

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Dr Applewhite and Conti's case

by Viva la Vida in

this is from conti's appeal veredict:.

monica applewhite, a clinical social worker and an expert on child sexual abuse, testified for defendants that watchtowers policy against disclosing private information .

very closely mirror[ed] the codes of ethics of the national association of social workers and the american counseling association.

OrphanCrow

About calling an expert witness a "whore" (prostitute):

Preparing and Presenting Expert Testimony in Child Abuse Litigation: A Guide for Expert Witnesses and Attorneys - Paul Stern

pg. 114

A witness who spends a considerable amount of time working as an expert witness is vulnerable to attack as a biased witness. The opposing side will attempt to show the witness's track record as a "for hire" witness for one particular party. Although the term 'witness' might be used in court, "whore" ("prosecutor whore", "plaintiff whore", or "defense whore" - take your pick) is the clear implication. Indeed, there are some witnesses who are appropriately labelled as such (see the examples discussed in chapter 7). The frequency for which a witness testifies for a certain side, and for what financial gain, will be used as a measure of his or her objectivity.

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Does the RC have the names of the 1006 abused victims?

by Dumplin in

i've updated my jw wife on the highlights of the rc proceedings each day as they occur.

but tonight she said something that made my blood boil (which i am usually in complete control of).

she said something to the effect that victims need to not dwell on what happened and let it control their lives.

OrphanCrow

Possum: Its seems like the ones who give a submission are followed up. My relative has been contacted by a detective re: investigation of abuser?

If the Commission has turned the names of the abusers over to the police (like they should have been years ago), the police force in Australia is going to be pretty busy with investigating historic cimes.

The Royal Commission is concerned with making changes but the police are concerned with solving crime.

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One of the most important questions.

by Lemonp in

it is enthralling having everything being dragged kicking and screaming into the light of day.

however one of the most important things to ask is this:.

is the rc evidence admissable in other countries and other courts?.

OrphanCrow

If a child were to tell YOU what had happened to them during abuse, and you made notes of what they said, in case the story changes at a later date or you forgot what had happened.. As you may need to do if you were to support a police investigation for instance.. Would that be producing child pornography?

Key Point:

I would not collect details. I would immediately take the child to a professional.

If I was a professional, I would follow the required procedures for collecting evidence.

Key Point:

The JWs elders are not professionals with the skills to handle evidence collection. Because of that, it cannot be considered evidence collecting.

Key phrase here: intended to stimulate sexual excitement.

Key point:

That intent never has to proven when it involves minors.

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Dr Applewhite and Conti's case

by Viva la Vida in

this is from conti's appeal veredict:.

monica applewhite, a clinical social worker and an expert on child sexual abuse, testified for defendants that watchtowers policy against disclosing private information .

very closely mirror[ed] the codes of ethics of the national association of social workers and the american counseling association.

OrphanCrow

Ah, here we go.

A listing of the articlles in the Watchtower and Awake magazines that criticize the Catholic Church and other churches for sex abuse:

http://www.silentlambs.org/Catholicarticles.htm

Applewhite must have read those, right??

How can a Catholic 'expert' appear and give testimony for the WTS when the WTS has castigated the Catholic Church about how bad they are in protecting children? What is wrong with this picture???

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Dr Applewhite and Conti's case

by Viva la Vida in

this is from conti's appeal veredict:.

monica applewhite, a clinical social worker and an expert on child sexual abuse, testified for defendants that watchtowers policy against disclosing private information .

very closely mirror[ed] the codes of ethics of the national association of social workers and the american counseling association.

OrphanCrow

datadog: I'm still blown away by the fact that the WTBTS hires a Catholic to defend them in cases of pedophilia.

Me too! And I am blown away that someone from the Catholic Church appears to be untroubled or ignorant of the vitriolic attacks that the JWs have mounted against the Catholic Church in the past.

Applewhite claims to have done a study of the WTS literature but she must not have read this:

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011041

Watchtower 2011 1/15

On the other hand, Christendom deserves the coming destruction for contributing to the spiritual illiteracy common among churchgoers and for its manifest hatred of God’s name. In the Middle Ages, God’s personal name was rather widely known in Europe. That name, represented by four Hebrew letters called the Tetragrammaton and commonly transliterated YHWH (or JHVH), appeared on coins, on facades of houses, in many books and Bibles, and even in some Catholic and Protestant churches. However, the trend in recent times is to eliminate the name of God from Bible translations and from other uses. One indication of this is the Letter to the Bishops’ Conferences on ‘the Name of God,’ dated June 29, 2008, issued by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. In it the Roman Catholic Church advised that the Tetragrammaton in its various renderings should be replaced by “Lord.” The Vatican instructed that God’s personal name should not be used or pronounced in hymns and prayers during Catholic religious services. And the leaders of other religions inside and outside of Christendom have also hidden the identity of the true God from millions upon millions of worshippers.

I am not sure how to process the hypocrisy of what is playing out in the WTS' use of a Catholic "expert". It it wasn't so funny, it is actually pretty sick. And, after the JWs have attacked the Catholic Church so strongly about their sex abuse poilcies. Is there not a WT article about the Catholic Church and sex abuse?

*I have had the song by Frank Zappa - Catholic Girls - playing in my head all day! ...it is so bad...

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One of the most important questions.

by Lemonp in

it is enthralling having everything being dragged kicking and screaming into the light of day.

however one of the most important things to ask is this:.

is the rc evidence admissable in other countries and other courts?.

OrphanCrow

Petraglyph: Ew OrphanCrow, that's a perspective I'd never thought of :o
So they'll reappoint someone to an Elder position who will savour some poor child abuse victim giving details of what happened. Ugh, it's making me feel sick writing that.
This is sick sick sick! Beyond sick!

Yes, it is sick. Issues around the production of sexual images and materials has been an integral part of my university education - I taught photography and obscenity laws and responsible use of the image was integral to an understanding of how cultural production develops. The same laws that apply to image production also apply to written material.

Child pornography laws are one of the tools that international agencies that fight against the expoiltation of children worldwide have at their disposal. These laws have been used in circumstances that under other laws they would have had a hard time making a charge stick.

The whole process that the JW elders engage in, of collecting sexual material from minors, has been making me uncomfortable for a long time. I know why that is - it is a process that fits the legal definition of producing and distributing child pornography.

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Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse

by snare&racket in

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friends

i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!

never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.

OrphanCrow

You're confusing theoretical science with the legal system

I don't think so. I am well aware of the standards that are held in the Canadian court system for the acceptance of credible expert witness testimony. The standards are rigourously upheld. You cannot just call anybody into court and say that they are experts - they have to have the research behind them and the credibility to be accepted. Canada, and I would imagine Australia as well, does take scientific considerations into account when it comes to measuring expert status.

The Australian court system is very similar to Canada - we both arise out of the British court system.

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Dr Applewhite and Child Abuse

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

i am shocked that an expert would simply examine only the literature given to her by the organisation she was defending and simply accept it.

also the ease she has in making huge sweeping statements when comparing the jw's to all other international religious organisations simply undermines her professionalism.. i am also thoroughly shocked at her blatant, 'expert for hire', 'will defend anyone' apparent decision making, the organisation is responsible for covering up thousands of abuse victims by its own records, in australia alone!

never mind their judicial process being heartless and traumatic!.

OrphanCrow

Oubilette: She is an "expert witness," not a researcher.

Well, in Australia (and other countries, too...) it is expected that experts do research. That is the standard that qualifies them to use the title "expert". Their research is their knowledge.

Expert = Researcher.

In Australian language.

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Dr Monica Applewhite!

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i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.

where did the watchtower dig her up from.

her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.

OrphanCrow

Applewhite's own letter aknowledges her unprofessional conduct. Whether or not the reports she claimed she recieived were falsified, she did not report the alleged abuse. She is a mandatory reporter.

That is unprofessional. By her own admission. Her letter speaks for itself.

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Dr Monica Applewhite!

by username in

i'm just listening to this so called doctors testimony.

where did the watchtower dig her up from.

her answers have mostly been maybe's and i think!.

OrphanCrow

Marvin... point 27 and down. It clearly lays out the evidence. And clearly states Applewhite's response.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/St+Aug+v+Applewhite.pdf

The school's letter is simply an attachment to the court document.