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  How Soon Will We See 9-Year-Olds in Committee Meetings?

  by TTATTelder in

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  that teddy bear baptism video was shocking.. if you haven't seen it yet.

  check it out on this thread:.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/271170002/on-subject-child-baptism-video.

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  That's what bothers me the most. I thought about mentioning it in the OP. What happens when a baptized 8 year old gets molested? Now you have an arshole adult brother in the back room denying the charge and accusing the baptized child of slander.

  Not only that, but the baptized child will be considered a 'penitent' and could be bound by the same rules of confidentiality as the 'clergy'. In some states, the penitent is not compelled to reveal what is said in a 'priest-penitent' communication.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest%E2%80%93penitent_privilege

  The statutes vary from state to state, however,...

  In twenty-five states, the clergyman-communicant statutory privilege does not clearly indicate who holds the privilege. In seventeen states, the penitent's right to hold the privilege is clearly stated. In only six states, both a penitent and a member of the clergy are expressly allowed by the statute to hold the privilege.

  The baptizing of children is going to muddy the waters in child abuse cases when it comes to the revealing of 'confidential' information'.
  
  
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  Lucille has been silenced

  by _Morpheus in

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  r.i.p.

  bb king.

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  RIP BB King.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fk2prKnYnI&list=PLC9FB2AC82FFC8DF7
  
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  Question Box: Should JW's use the Internet to witness to people abroad?

  by cappytan in

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  i hadn't seen this posted here yet.. source via wifibandit on exjw subreddit.. what are your thoughts/comments on this?.

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  Oubilette: How could they be "charged" for anything individuals do on the internet?
  Can you explain how that make work? How could that cause them any problems?

  I have been giving your questions some thought.

  Maybe what is happening is that the WTS is getting the squeeze from the IRS concerning their activities in countries that have laws against preaching. Who knows, maybe the IRS is the tool that keeps 'extremist' religions in line by limiting their activities in other countries. The Patriot Act and all that...I think that the WTS could be under pressure to limit their international activities. Especially the internet transmissions by their members - all online communication can be tracked so easily.

  The WTS' doctrine and rules can always be traced to politics and law. Always. Politics and law is what makes money go around. And money is what makes the WTS go around.
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  On the subject of Child Baptism - Video

  by cappytan in

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  so, the latest "kids" kingdom melody video is out.. here are some screenshots:.

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  yep, that's right, they showed a kid with a teddy bear getting baptized.. here's the video in full for documentation, if you can stomach it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ellrtyj_maq.

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  In 1941, the Watchtower machine had more up their sleeve than just recruiting children to sell literature. Those "Children of the King" that were baptized were recruited to challenge First Amendment rights. I wonder what the WTS is up to this time.

  I think I got it. Maybe...

  I think that the WTS is needing to get the children to declare their membership into the church. That way, whatever a child tells the elders is protected under clergy confidentiality. In other words, the elders don't have to reveal what a child who has been baptized tells them in testimony during judicial hearings. The clergy confidentiality only applies to church members.

  I think that the WTS is trying to cover their ass in potential future child abuse cases.
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  On the subject of Child Baptism - Video

  by cappytan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, the latest "kids" kingdom melody video is out.. here are some screenshots:.

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  yep, that's right, they showed a kid with a teddy bear getting baptized.. here's the video in full for documentation, if you can stomach it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ellrtyj_maq.

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  Young baptisms were common in my mother's generation of JWs.

  So many of you are "appalled" and sickened by this push to get children baptized. I am not.

  My mother was baptized when she was 6 years old, in 1939. She described it to me recently. She said that "...there were brothers from the Society sent out all across Canada to baptize everybody because we thought Armageddon was happening. I didn't know what I was doing. I just knew that it made Mum and Dad happy. Lots of kids got baptized. The parents were scared."

  Historically, the push for child baptism is not new - it occurred in 1941 with the Children of the King conventions held that summer. The convention report said that children as young as six years old were baptized at the St. Louis convention:

  There have been thousands of children at other Watchtower assemblies, but never before were 15,000, who had been previously registered, seated entirely by themselves in the main portion of one of the world's greatest auditoriums. Never before were more than 1,300 children immersed at one time.

  In 1941, the Watchtower machine had more up their sleeve than just recruiting children to sell literature. Those "Children of the King" that were baptized were recruited to challenge First Amendment rights. I wonder what the WTS is up to this time.
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  Question Box: Should JW's use the Internet to witness to people abroad?

  by cappytan in

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  i hadn't seen this posted here yet.. source via wifibandit on exjw subreddit.. what are your thoughts/comments on this?.

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  Well, maybe 'they'/WTS can't be charged...but I still say it is a legal issue. Almost everything the WTS does is connected to legal concerns.

  Can you explain how that make work? How could that cause them any problems?

  I dunno how it would work. I am not 'up' on all the internet laws. I don't know how other countries enforce bans against preaching.
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  Question Box: Should JW's use the Internet to witness to people abroad?

  by cappytan in

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  i hadn't seen this posted here yet.. source via wifibandit on exjw subreddit.. what are your thoughts/comments on this?.

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  Furthermore, in lands where the Kingdom work is restricted or under ban, correspondence might be monitored by the authorities. Such communication could endanger the local brothers and sisters. Therefore, publishers should not go online to seek out people from another country with whom to share the good news.

  It's a legal issue.

  The WTS doesn't want to get charged for preaching in countries where it is banned.
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  Something tells me 1914...

  by Monsieur in

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  after todays watchtower lesson, and the lessons coming, something tells me bigger and bigger new understandings are coming.

  and that it will culminate with 1914. notice how jesus is now coming, and no longer already here.

  the current understanding is both, he is here and hes also coming.

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  Fisherman9 hours ago1914 is definitely on the chopping block.
  Don't count on such conclusion. Remind you of the 1/14 WT study, paragraphs 14-16.

  And let me remind you of the mountains of changed doctrines and prophecies ever since the Watchtower's inception back in the late 1800s.Just because the WTS printed something on such and such a date is pretty meaningless in the whole big picture, Fisherman. They have flipped doctrines before and they will do it again.
  
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  Something tells me 1914...

  by Monsieur in

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  after todays watchtower lesson, and the lessons coming, something tells me bigger and bigger new understandings are coming.

  and that it will culminate with 1914. notice how jesus is now coming, and no longer already here.

  the current understanding is both, he is here and hes also coming.

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  finklestein: It should be realized that the Watchtower Corporation bought and sold the return of Christ as its fundamentally largest doctrine and exploited this all throughout the 20th century.

  That is true, Finklestein, however, the Watchtower has done some major flips in doctrine and were successful in the past in making radical doctrinal shifts.

  For example, the dramatic shift from the WTS' pro Zionist stance prior to 1925 to a 'replacement theology' was a very significant shift. And the Watchtower survived - they just did a makeover. A new name, a new structure, the old guard was thinned out, and voila! the Jehovah's witnesses was born.

  Today, the same thing is happening...major doctrinal changes and shifts are part of the changing landscape. And, besides, the WTS has always been politically savvy, and frankly, the notion of a Messiah returning to lead a special group of people just isn't very politically current for global financial concerns.
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  A Toast to All the Brave Kids Who Broke Up with Their Toxic Moms

  by rebel8 in

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  sometimes holidays can be hard on us.

  some of us deserve a little toast today.. a toast to all the brave kids who broke up with their toxic moms.

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  OrphanCrow

  Yes.

  A toast to all of us 'motherless' ones!

  And a toast to my mother whose most valuable lesson to me was how not to mother. From her, I leaned what not to do with my own children.

  And, today is my favorite day of the year. My children treat me like a queen every Mother's Day.

  Thank you , Mother. You taught me well what not to do.

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