Posts by OrphanCrow

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Jail those who turn a blind eye to child abuse, says Cameron

by JHK in

teachers, social workers who work with children and councillors could face up to five years in prison if they turn a blind eye to child abuse under proposals to be set out on tuesday by david cameron.

[...].

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/03/david-cameron-child-abuse-ignore-jail.

OrphanCrow

what else is the choice ?

Do the same as Canada does. Make it mandatory for everyone to report suspected child abuse. That way, if a JW decides to report to the elders instead of the authorities, they also are legally culpable.

They already do with culpable damaging results and effects.
I know where your coming from Orphan Crow , with the uselessly redundant investigation such as were there two witnesses etc.

It isn't just the two witness rule that is damaging. Just questioning a child who is suspected of being a victim of sexual abuse re-traumatizes the child. People who are not professionals should not be questioning the child at any time. That is why the elders should never be allowed to investigate - as soon as there is a report of suspected child abuse, the elders should immediately call the proper authorities who have access to professionals who know how to handle the investigation without further harming the victim.

The elders should not even have the option to investigate. They should not be allowed to question the victim. By doing so, they are not only harming the victim, they are obstructing justice. Their inept handling of child abuse allegations can, and does, result in the mishandling of testimony and evidence.

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Jail those who turn a blind eye to child abuse, says Cameron

by JHK in

teachers, social workers who work with children and councillors could face up to five years in prison if they turn a blind eye to child abuse under proposals to be set out on tuesday by david cameron.

[...].

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/03/david-cameron-child-abuse-ignore-jail.

OrphanCrow

Finkelstein: In regards to the WTS. what this organization should do in these situations is go through a investigation on their own and determine if local police authorities should be called in for their own investigation.

I disagree.

Nobody inside the WTS/JWs - nobody - should initiate an investigation.

All cases of suspected child abuse should be reported to the authorities. The WTS is not an authority - they only think they are. It is not up to anybody except the proper authorities to determine if abuse has happened. Investigation by the WTS or their representative entities should never enter into the picture. They are not qualified to conduct an investigation of any kind, and their investigative practices only lead to harming the victim further.

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Jail those who turn a blind eye to child abuse, says Cameron

by JHK in

teachers, social workers who work with children and councillors could face up to five years in prison if they turn a blind eye to child abuse under proposals to be set out on tuesday by david cameron.

[...].

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/03/david-cameron-child-abuse-ignore-jail.

OrphanCrow

Simon: It should apply to everyone. I cannot think of any possible reason why leaving a child to suffer should ever be excusable.

In Canada (except for the Yukon), mandatory reporting is required by everyone. Every single Canadian citizen is responsible for reporting suspected child abuse.

Mandatory reporting policies have been put in place for most professions, but...the legal statutes of Canada concerning the mandatory reporting of suspected child abuse applies to everybody.

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Jail those who turn a blind eye to child abuse, says Cameron

by JHK in

teachers, social workers who work with children and councillors could face up to five years in prison if they turn a blind eye to child abuse under proposals to be set out on tuesday by david cameron.

[...].

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/03/david-cameron-child-abuse-ignore-jail.

OrphanCrow

Cameron believes his plan to extend the offence of wilful neglect beyond the health service and adult social care sector to a far wider group of public service workers will send out a message that child abuse can no longer be regarded as a second order issue by public service workers. He hopes the reforms will herald a culture change and come close to meaning that public service workers would lose criminal immunity if they failed to report or act on clear evidence of abuse.

That's cool. Now the next step is to question why family members who know of the abuse aren't held to the same standard.

Anybody - including mothers and grandmothers - who knows a child is being abused and fails to report it, should be charged right along with the abuser.

Far too often, when I hear and read stories from survivors who were raped by their fathers, they speak of the mother knowing the abuse was going on. In those cases, the mothers should also be charged.

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Will JW's become a pedophile attraction ?

by cookiemaster in

with all this publicity of how they protect pedophiles and how they instruct members to not report them, could it be possible that jw's will become an attraction for pedos ?

will we see a chance in doctrine?

will gibberish buddies admit there's a problem in the borg?

OrphanCrow

A person could hope that the publicity would deter pedos from joining the JWs. However, pedos are predatory in nature, and they also think that they are smart enough not to get caught.

I do think that there will be some pedophiles who will target the JWs after they hear that children are so poorly protected within the organization.

Of course, a predatory pedophile will latch onto any opportunity to play out their sickness, regardless of the consequences. It would be myopic to think that deterring pedophiles would result from media exposure because the exposure could very well attract the sickos who don't believe they will be caught.

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Are the Governing Body the ultimate 'predators' on planet earth?

by Esse quam videri in

if you answer 'yah', why do you so answer ?

OrphanCrow

The corporate structure is psychopathic in nature.

That doesn't mean that the GB are predators/psychopaths. They are just at the top of a predatory machine.

And, no, they are not the "ultimate" predators.

But, the r&f JWs are the ultimate victims. They victimize themselves and call it 'religion' to justify why they are so weak that they need a corporation to tell them what to do.

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Is there a Child Molester on the Governing Body?

by TTATTelder in

great report by abc on the abuses in jw-dot-org land.... i hope it opens a "floodgate" of future news reports and exposes.

if you ask yourself, "why hasn't the watchtower leadership changed their policy on the 2 witness rule?

if one or more persons on the gb has victims out there that can't come forward because of the 2 witness rule, then that would explain the permanent road block to policy change that is obviously in place.

OrphanCrow

you could never have judicial committees after that at all.

Yay!

The WTS use judicial committees as a kangaroo court. They think they are above the law by practicing their own form of twisted judicial proceedings based upon their own twisted way of making 'law'.

In their judicial hearings, they do not follow standard legal procedures.

The WTS view their form of 'law' as being legal. It isn't.

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has anyone seen vidio on youtube about why they changed cover of songbook search youtube jw.org embarrassment

by poopie in

jw
friends

any thoughts.

OrphanCrow

My friend was intrigued by the songbook cover. He wanted to know why the man had his tongue sticking out:

...and why the shadow was left that way on the little girl's dress. "It makes it look like she has a nipple!"

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Please help me figure out my dreams

by Socrateswannabe in

jw
friends

hi everyone, this may be the stupidest post ever.

i am stumped for an answer and would love to hear your opinions, though.

every week or two for the last couple of years, i have a dream--or at least that's what i'm calling it--that consists of me waking up or thinking that i've waked up, and seeing the ceiling of my darkened bedroom filled with algebraic equations.

OrphanCrow

Do our brains have the ability to imprint things that we've seen but have no understanding of, and involuntarily recall them in this way?

Yes.

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has anyone seen vidio on youtube about why they changed cover of songbook search youtube jw.org embarrassment

by poopie in

jw
friends

any thoughts.

OrphanCrow

I almost hate to re-open this thread because of the upset it seems to cause with some people.

But, I did say I was going to ask a friend what he thought about the apparent subliminal images in the Watchtower publications. He was over for a visit last night and I showed him a couple of the images.

I showed him the image taken from the old Paradise book - the one with Jesus on the stake. This one:

I asked him for a response about the image before explaining anything about it - keep in mind that this fellow is strictly non-religious - and he did not 'get' that it was a picture of 'Jesus'. His first comment was that the guy in the middle looked 'Aryan'. And homosexual.

I then pointed out this guy here:

...and turned him upside down:

..and my friend said "His dick is sticking out!!"

And we had a good laugh. I asked him if he thought, based upon the way the lines had been made, etc., if the artist had done it unintentionally. Emphatically, and chuckling the whole time, he said, "No. That was intentional."

My friend taught Studio Art at the university for many years - he does not buy into "it was an accident".

I then showed him the songbook. Again - good laughs. And again - not accidental.

So, for what it is worth, an 'expert' - an artist himself and a teacher of art making - both sees the images and says that he does not see how another artist could make those images and not know what they were doing.

Now, I realize that most people don't accept that an artist can be an 'expert' of anything other than throwing some paint at a canvas....but....not all of us artists suffer from mental difficulties. Some of us are actually quite intelligent.

;)