Posts by OrphanCrow

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On the subject of Child Baptism - Video

by cappytan in

so, the latest "kids" kingdom melody video is out.. here are some screenshots:.

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yep, that's right, they showed a kid with a teddy bear getting baptized.. here's the video in full for documentation, if you can stomach it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ellrtyj_maq.

OrphanCrow

In 1941, the Watchtower machine had more up their sleeve than just recruiting children to sell literature. Those "Children of the King" that were baptized were recruited to challenge First Amendment rights. I wonder what the WTS is up to this time.

I think I got it. Maybe...

I think that the WTS is needing to get the children to declare their membership into the church. That way, whatever a child tells the elders is protected under clergy confidentiality. In other words, the elders don't have to reveal what a child who has been baptized tells them in testimony during judicial hearings. The clergy confidentiality only applies to church members.

I think that the WTS is trying to cover their ass in potential future child abuse cases.

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On the subject of Child Baptism - Video

by cappytan in

so, the latest "kids" kingdom melody video is out.. here are some screenshots:.

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yep, that's right, they showed a kid with a teddy bear getting baptized.. here's the video in full for documentation, if you can stomach it.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ellrtyj_maq.

OrphanCrow

Young baptisms were common in my mother's generation of JWs.

So many of you are "appalled" and sickened by this push to get children baptized. I am not.

My mother was baptized when she was 6 years old, in 1939. She described it to me recently. She said that "...there were brothers from the Society sent out all across Canada to baptize everybody because we thought Armageddon was happening. I didn't know what I was doing. I just knew that it made Mum and Dad happy. Lots of kids got baptized. The parents were scared."

Historically, the push for child baptism is not new - it occurred in 1941 with the Children of the King conventions held that summer. The convention report said that children as young as six years old were baptized at the St. Louis convention:

There have been thousands of children at other Watchtower assemblies, but never before were 15,000, who had been previously registered, seated entirely by themselves in the main portion of one of the world's greatest auditoriums. Never before were more than 1,300 children immersed at one time.

In 1941, the Watchtower machine had more up their sleeve than just recruiting children to sell literature. Those "Children of the King" that were baptized were recruited to challenge First Amendment rights. I wonder what the WTS is up to this time.

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Question Box: Should JW's use the Internet to witness to people abroad?

by cappytan in

i hadn't seen this posted here yet.. source via wifibandit on exjw subreddit.. what are your thoughts/comments on this?.

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OrphanCrow

Well, maybe 'they'/WTS can't be charged...but I still say it is a legal issue. Almost everything the WTS does is connected to legal concerns.

Can you explain how that make work? How could that cause them any problems?

I dunno how it would work. I am not 'up' on all the internet laws. I don't know how other countries enforce bans against preaching.

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Question Box: Should JW's use the Internet to witness to people abroad?

by cappytan in

i hadn't seen this posted here yet.. source via wifibandit on exjw subreddit.. what are your thoughts/comments on this?.

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OrphanCrow

Furthermore, in lands where the Kingdom work is restricted or under ban, correspondence might be monitored by the authorities. Such communication could endanger the local brothers and sisters. Therefore, publishers should not go online to seek out people from another country with whom to share the good news.

It's a legal issue.

The WTS doesn't want to get charged for preaching in countries where it is banned.

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Something tells me 1914...

by Monsieur in

after todays watchtower lesson, and the lessons coming, something tells me bigger and bigger new understandings are coming.

and that it will culminate with 1914. notice how jesus is now coming, and no longer already here.

the current understanding is both, he is here and hes also coming.

OrphanCrow

Fisherman9 hours ago1914 is definitely on the chopping block.
Don't count on such conclusion. Remind you of the 1/14 WT study, paragraphs 14-16.

And let me remind you of the mountains of changed doctrines and prophecies ever since the Watchtower's inception back in the late 1800s.Just because the WTS printed something on such and such a date is pretty meaningless in the whole big picture, Fisherman. They have flipped doctrines before and they will do it again.

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Something tells me 1914...

by Monsieur in

after todays watchtower lesson, and the lessons coming, something tells me bigger and bigger new understandings are coming.

and that it will culminate with 1914. notice how jesus is now coming, and no longer already here.

the current understanding is both, he is here and hes also coming.

OrphanCrow

finklestein: It should be realized that the Watchtower Corporation bought and sold the return of Christ as its fundamentally largest doctrine and exploited this all throughout the 20th century.

That is true, Finklestein, however, the Watchtower has done some major flips in doctrine and were successful in the past in making radical doctrinal shifts.

For example, the dramatic shift from the WTS' pro Zionist stance prior to 1925 to a 'replacement theology' was a very significant shift. And the Watchtower survived - they just did a makeover. A new name, a new structure, the old guard was thinned out, and voila! the Jehovah's witnesses was born.

Today, the same thing is happening...major doctrinal changes and shifts are part of the changing landscape. And, besides, the WTS has always been politically savvy, and frankly, the notion of a Messiah returning to lead a special group of people just isn't very politically current for global financial concerns.

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A Toast to All the Brave Kids Who Broke Up with Their Toxic Moms

by rebel8 in

jw
friends

sometimes holidays can be hard on us.

some of us deserve a little toast today.. a toast to all the brave kids who broke up with their toxic moms.

OrphanCrow

Yes.

A toast to all of us 'motherless' ones!

And a toast to my mother whose most valuable lesson to me was how not to mother. From her, I leaned what not to do with my own children.

And, today is my favorite day of the year. My children treat me like a queen every Mother's Day.

Thank you , Mother. You taught me well what not to do.

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Something tells me 1914...

by Monsieur in

after todays watchtower lesson, and the lessons coming, something tells me bigger and bigger new understandings are coming.

and that it will culminate with 1914. notice how jesus is now coming, and no longer already here.

the current understanding is both, he is here and hes also coming.

OrphanCrow

I agree, wallsofjericho.

1914 is definitely on the chopping block.

The WTS is morphing into a more 'acceptable' mainstream 'Christian' church. They have made some rapid changes in a very short time.

Soon, the Rutherford years, and the Knorr and Franz years, will read as ancient history.

All ye behold - the new arisen jw..org is here!

The serpent is shedding its skin yet again.

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Informant-I consent for my relevant medical records to be shared with HLC!

by Atlantis in

from an informant who contacted atlantis:.

.. i consent to my relevant medical records and the details of my condition being shared with.

the emergency contact below and/or with member(s) of the hospital liaison committee.

OrphanCrow

Looks like that website copy pasted parts of the usual advanced medical directive and added in their own stuff.

Yes. But - "that website" was run by JW HLC members and we know that the HLC are Watchtower affiliated.

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Is VVRP a Cult?

by OrphanCrow in

shiamak davar, bollywood star, defends spiritual group after assault allegations.. the vrrp spiritual learning group follows the teachings of khorshed bhavnagri and her book the laws of the spirit world, written, she claimed, through messages she received from her dead sons, who were killed in a car accident in india in 1980.vrrp stands for vispi, ratoo, rumi and popsie the names of bhavnagri's two deceased sons, their father and their grandfather, respectively.. bhavnagri's book predicts a catastrophic shift in the earth's axis that will wipe out "all negative energies" and kill 75 per cent of the world's population.

"cataclysmic earthquakes will cause this major imbalance which will be followed by floods, tidal waves, fires, more earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and so on," wrote bhavnagri.but her book assures members of her group that people "at higher realms will be saved.

""ufos will send down levitation beams to evacuate good souls who are trapped in dangerous places," wrote bhavnagri.. dr. michael elterman, a forensic and clinical psychologist who has studied cults, said the difference between a spiritual group and a cult is whether other aspects of members' lives are controlled by the group.

OrphanCrow

Shiamak Davar, Bollywood Star, defends spiritual group after assault allegations.

The VRRP Spiritual Learning group follows the teachings of Khorshed Bhavnagri and her book The Laws of the Spirit World, written, she claimed, through messages she received from her dead sons, who were killed in a car accident in India in 1980.
VRRP stands for Vispi, Ratoo, Rumi and Popsie — the names of Bhavnagri's two deceased sons, their father and their grandfather, respectively.

Bhavnagri's book predicts a catastrophic shift in the Earth's axis that will wipe out "all negative energies" and kill 75 per cent of the world's population.
"Cataclysmic earthquakes will cause this major imbalance which will be followed by floods, tidal waves, fires, more earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and so on," wrote Bhavnagri.
But her book assures members of her group that people "at higher realms will be saved."
"UFOs will send down levitation beams to evacuate good souls who are trapped in dangerous places," wrote Bhavnagri.

Dr. Michael Elterman, a forensic and clinical psychologist who has studied cults, said the difference between a spiritual group and a cult is whether other aspects of members' lives are controlled by the group.
"What really particularizes it as a cult is the sense of control that is over the individual" said Elterman, who has not studied VRRP.
"If you look at the history of cults, there is generally what is called a charismatic leader, who will control every aspect of the individuals' life, from how they dress to what they eat, to their daily routine," said Elterman.