Posts by OrphanCrow

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ARE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY STATISTICS REALLY TRUSTWORTHY?

by TerryWalstrom in

of these, over 2,000 were admitted to concentration camps.

1,000 died in prison and concentration camps.

another 1,000 of jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps.".

OrphanCrow

ScenicViewer:
Historical Dictionary of Jehovah's Witnesses, page 73, by George D. Chryssides states: "Of the 25,000 Witnesses and Earnest Bible Students in Germany, 13,400 spent at least some time serving prison sentences. According to Gestapo files, more than half recanted."
If more than half recanted, that's a pretty big chunk of Witneses and a victory for Hitler, while Watchtower insists that virtually all remained unbroken.

According to Kristen John-Stucke (Persecution and Resistance of Jehovah's Witnesses During the Nazi Regime, Hans Hesse 2001), about 50 percent of the BibleStudents/JWs who were sent to prison signed the letter to recant before they were released and only about 10 percent signed them once they reached the camps.

John-Stucke points out that it was not advantageous to the BS/JW prisoners to sign the letters once they reached the camps because it was, in effect, potentially signing their own death warrants because the men who signed would be sent to the front to fight and rarely returned. Not signing the recant and staying in the camps was the safest and best way for the BS/JWs to survive the war.

By the end of the war, it was not required that the BS/JWs sign a declaration - they were released on a handshake. This provision was put in place by Himmler for the many, many JW prisoners who were placed in privileged positions both within, and outside, of the camps in positions of trust for the Nazis.

Himmler's proposal to release the BS/Jws on just a handshake:

"In all these cases where prisoners are partially free and have been assigned to such work, we want to avoid written records and make such agreements with just a handshake".

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Governing Body Member Stephan Lett Lies On JW.TV

by Finkelstein in

i thought it would be important to clearly point in the recent talk by governing body member stephan lett, that he did in fact deliberately lie concerning what he described as lies and false information by apostates, concerning the organization being permissive toward people in the organization who had been involved in pedophilia.

the truth of the matter is thats exactly what the organization has been doing and perhaps for a long time.

the recent candace conti law suit where she was awarded 28 million dollars was levied against the wts for its irresponsible behavior by the elders who gave no notification of the accused jonathan kendrick that he had been charged with pedophilia and spent months in jail for his actions .

OrphanCrow

Not only are lies told often by most people, it is also difficult to tell when someone is lying to you. I read a stat somewhere (can't find it right now...sorry) that claims that we, as humans, on average, are only able to tell 53% of the time when someone is lying to us.

So, combine someone who lies a lot with people who already cannot spot a lie very well and you have a good recipe for what maintains cult-thought and action.

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For Sale: Magic Sandwich

by Coded Logic in

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for a small one-time payment of your entire life of thursday nights, sunday afternoons, and recruitment work on saturday mornings - it can be yours!

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OrphanCrow

Question from a Reader:

Is the bread in the sandwiches made from Miracle Wheat?

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Lett briefly addresses the child abuse issues in new JW.org video

by Richard_I in

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i just read about this on the ex-jw subreddit.

link to the video (10m06s).. skip to 7:35 where he says: "another way we can contribute to the oneness - rejecting false stories that are designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.

as an example, think about the apostate-driven lies and 'dishonesties' that jehovah's organization is permissive toward pedophiles.

OrphanCrow

When someone is guilty as hell about something and they don't know how to get out of it, their best defense is a good offense. In this case, it is their only defense.

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Splane's Anti Catholic Rant

by Listener in

a talk was given by gb member david splane in the february 2015 jw broadcasting video.

he talks about unity and sings the praises of jws.

he points his finger at the catholics and says this about them (39.32)-.

OrphanCrow

Two of the Watchtower lawyers in Germany were members of the Nazi Party. Was Hans one of the lawyers?

one of the Watchtower Society’s official representatives Hans Dollinger

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Splane's Anti Catholic Rant

by Listener in

a talk was given by gb member david splane in the february 2015 jw broadcasting video.

he talks about unity and sings the praises of jws.

he points his finger at the catholics and says this about them (39.32)-.

OrphanCrow

whilst Jehovah's Witnesses "risked their lives on behalf of fellow believers..."

Erich Frost deliberately caused the death of fellow believers in order to save his own skin during WW2.

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Is 1919 Important to the WT?

by Anon_SA1 in

does anyone know if the wt still claims they were appointed in 1919?

is there proof of this appointment?

any ideas where i can find out how they get to this date?

OrphanCrow

Half banana

High fives Orphan Crow, it's always the money when dealing with the governance of the WTBTS.

High fives back at ya, Halfbanana. :)

Of course it is all about the money. And the justification for the governance and authority to continue the money scam has been deliberately and intimately entangled up in the doctrine around 1919.

The reason for their doctrine is to obfuscate their purpose and appear like they are a 'religion' when they are not. (Unless, of course, the religious mandate is money making. Then, they are right on target with their doctrine).

It is a mistake to think that the WTS doctrine is biblically valid - it isn't - any behavior can be justified by manipulating biblical text. Any behavior. It is a waste of time to analyze biblical text when trying to figure out what the Tower boys are up to. A person can utilize their time better by examining both external and internal political events and financial events around whatever dates and/or doctrine they are putting out there.

By claiming biblical authority for the WTS money schemes, and the more twisted and changing that the doctrine can be made (*see above post by menrov), assures that those sitting up in the Tower have a line of protection around their nefarious movements. The doctrine acts as a hedge - one that catches people feet in its web and occupies them with searching inside an old book(s) to try to figure out what is going on, when the answers are to be found in the political/financial movements of the Tower boys.

As long as a person spends their time analyzing doctrine from reading a bible book, their head will be down reading and they will not look up. And they should look up. Way up. To the Tower and the boys inside that Tower.

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Is this what the society imagines will be above that 'secret hiding room' in the basement?

by Esse quam videri in

OrphanCrow

No respectable JW woman would be caught dead in denim outside!

That must be regional. I see JW women in denim outside. Rural Canada.

Besides....if the Big A is happening, maybe she didn't have time to change.

I think that the assumption that 'they are clearly not witnesses' is a bit ridiculous and myopic.

*to add - I am not disagreeing that JWs will label this woman as 'wordly' based upon her choice of fabric to cover her legs while she is running. What I find fascinating is the building of the 'myth' by the WTS - how, through social conditioning and repetitive notions of what constitutes 'witness' behavior from 'world' behavior', a 'witness' can spot the signs of worldly conduct simply by identifying the fabric of female attire.

It is an amazing feat on the part of the WTS propaganda machine - to actually train and teach JWs to fabricate their own myth within an image. Fascinating.

So...based on the woman's denim rather than other fabric...are the men non-witnesses too? By association? Or is denim a prohibited fabric for JW men, too?

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Is this what the society imagines will be above that 'secret hiding room' in the basement?

by Esse quam videri in

OrphanCrow

runForever
The survivors are clearly not witnesses.

Please explain.

It is not clear to me that the people are not witnesses. How do you come to that conclusion based upon the image?

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Is 1919 Important to the WT?

by Anon_SA1 in

does anyone know if the wt still claims they were appointed in 1919?

is there proof of this appointment?

any ideas where i can find out how they get to this date?

OrphanCrow

So that’s why in the minds of the GB (whose motto is “Money First”) they were saved by wads of Dollars in 1919.

Yes, exactly.

The 'appointment' that occurred in 1919 was intimately linked to the bail-out that was required after Rutherford negotiated his way out of a lengthy prison sentence.

When Rutherford and his cronies were released from the Atlanta prison (which held many political prisoners besides Rutherford et al), they found the WTS' property about to be confiscated. So, Joe made one of his many trips out to California, and, lo and behold, some dude showed up back at WTS headquarters with cash taped to his body under his shirt. (George Butterfield?)

That cash bailed out the almost defunct publishing company and gave the WTS the impetus to purchase their own printing presses. Up until that time, Conkey had been the main printer.

1919 saw the WTS move from being just a publishing company to being a printing company in its own right. The purchase of printing presses ensured that they now had full control of whatever propaganda they needed to print in order to satisfy the demands of that 'loan' that was given them.

1919 was the year that the Golden Age was born. That early marketing magazine reflects the political and financial concerns of the investors that put their faith in the power of religious propaganda to sway the marketplace and/or political arena.

In 1919, the WTS was 'appointed' by invisible (but real) investors to be in charge of their financial and political concerns. Find out who those investors were, and you will find Jehovah.